jamesm Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Make darn sure the rear wing spar is in good and airworthy condition (deal breaker) and like others have said that patch on the elevator flight control maybe unairworthy (deal breaker). Another question to ask who did the overhaul on the engine ? If you are planning on fixer upper airplane... whether it be this one or another Where do you plan to keeping it?? Hangars say at Renton are at premium and wait list is long. Auburn is better but the road traffic is a bear trying to get to airplane after work during week from about say 13:30 to 18:00 you can forget about it or have a lot patience dealing with hwy 167's parking lot . The open hangar @ S50 are cheaper but seems like every piece dirt from the valley goes through the open hangers and can't really leave your airplane dissembled while waiting on parts. Also with open hangar at S50 You wash your plane one week come back the next to find you have a layer dirt on it. PAE and AWO S43 could be options as well not sure if there is wait list is like seems like AWO has hangar space at price which is cheaper than RNT & BFI & S50 is going to be. IMHO can't speak about G models out there but ...$43k seems like it is way too much. The C model's averages from what I have seen low ~$25.5k ish to mid 30's seem to be the norm and then you get the occasional guy who are asking high 40's or even 60's whether that they get that amount is another story. I have wondered about the performance of the G model which is long body with 180hp engine, which maybe ok, I have never flown a G model can't really say, but Mooney only made then for about 3 years http://www.mooneyevents.com/chrono.htm . If price is consideration and for what it is worth and ... I would stick with manual gear and flaps option on pre 1969 Mooney's . Less AD's to deal with at annual time (currently). Good luck in your search. James '67C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druidjaidan Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I wish we could get a hanger. 4 year waiting list at KPAE and even then F***ING EXPENSIVE. Not sure about S43, but I really don't want to base there. Flying into there at night kinda terrifies me. I did my initial training there and the small tight runway with piss poor non standard lighting (the runway is 36ft wide, let's put the runway edge lights 45 feet apart because that won't suck right?), and no VASI (the tri color vasi listed in the AFD hasn't existing for 30 years as far as I've heard, who knows why it's still listed). So yeah basing my plane there would make me feel very hesitant about night ops. So unfortunately she'll be tied down on the ramp most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Ugly paint... IMO overlook it. You can just as easily be wowed by fantastic paint to have something lurking underneath. Adjust price accordingly. No one has mentioned it so I will: What is with the repair on the spar in one of the MLG wheel wells, pic #8??? It's been mentioned several times. New stiffners installed by an MSC due to corrosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'd pass on this G and look for an F if that's what the wife wants. I would also look at C's & E's. I've had 4 people in the airplane maybe 2x in 3 years. I really like our E now...It only took 3 years to get it to the point where I could fly my girls in it. I think this would be too much of a project for your first airplane. Good luck, -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druidjaidan Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'd pass on this G and look for an F if that's what the wife wants. I would also look at C's & E's. I've had 4 people in the airplane maybe 2x in 3 years. I really like our E now...It only took 3 years to get it to the point where I could fly my girls in it. I think this would be too much of a project for your first airplane. Good luck, -Matt Wife wants the mid body. Basically the math on that one was pretty simple: "We can't fit a normal stoller in here.". We're already planning our second one so we'll have strollers for quite some time We've regularly avoided inviting friends that would be interested due to gross weight in the Cessna's we rent. G's aren't much better in that regard, but are marginally better. F's on the other hand have pretty great usable loads. My partner is much more concerned with usable load. So between the two of us I eliminated the C and E models. He is very iffy on the G model and any planes that have gained weight over the years end up out. So yeah...F model is pretty much where we are at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Wife wants the mid body. Basically the math on that one was pretty simple: "We can't fit a normal stoller in here.". We're already planning our second one so we'll have strollers for quite some time We've regularly avoided inviting friends that would be interested due to gross weight in the Cessna's we rent. G's aren't much better in that regard, but are marginally better. F's on the other hand have pretty great usable loads. My partner is much more concerned with usable load. So between the two of us I eliminated the C and E models. He is very iffy on the G model and any planes that have gained weight over the years end up out. So yeah...F model is pretty much where we are at. The F is great load hauler for its class. I can easily take 800lbs in the cabin 500NM with reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 The F is great load hauler for its class. I can easily take 800lbs in the cabin 500NM with reserves.And we won't even mention what I can haul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoder Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Wife wants the mid body. Basically the math on that one was pretty simple: "We can't fit a normal stoller in here.". We're already planning our second one so we'll have strollers for quite some time We've regularly avoided inviting friends that would be interested due to gross weight in the Cessna's we rent. G's aren't much better in that regard, but are marginally better. F's on the other hand have pretty great usable loads. My partner is much more concerned with usable load. So between the two of us I eliminated the C and E models. He is very iffy on the G model and any planes that have gained weight over the years end up out. So yeah...F model is pretty much where we are at. If you really want to haul adults around you might need a 182. Sorry to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 And we won't even mention what I can haul mention all you want, but for the love of God, please don't post any pics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 If you really want to haul adults around you might need a 182. Sorry to say it. Or a Comanche, the 400 in particular. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 F is the way to go... Late 60's vintage in particular. Get a good clean airframe with Johnson bar. All else is replaceable or upgrade able. Mine has 1047 lbs useful.. More than enough for a small family of 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 If you really want to haul adults around you might need a 182. Sorry to say it. Yup... Here's a nice looking one for $75K-http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-182-SKYLANE/1966-CESSNA-182-SKYLANE/1313449.htm Oh wait, never mind, it only has a useful load of 1047lbs and needs more of it for fuel. All 182s are not created equal. Those with the MGW increase are better. They are much easier to get in and out of. All that being said, the F is a genuine 4 seater. It has the room and the useful to take 4 normal sized folks and bags on 500NM trip, or one of Chris's girls around the pattern if you remove the seats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooniac15u Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Therefore, I see no reason for everyone to instill this panic here; if it has truly been annual-ed by an MSC then everything should be in order. Isn't there a long thread about your adventures with the FAA on an aircraft that had been through multiple annuals and maintained by a well respected MSC? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmyfm20s Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Isn't there a long thread about your adventures with the FAA on an aircraft that had been through multiple annuals and maintained by a well respected MSC? Misery loves company:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkhirsch Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I feel obligated to refer you to the sentence immediately following that one. Maybe I should have also included the old <sarcasm> tags on that part of that sentence as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Or a Comanche, the 400 in particular. Clarence You need to find a Comanche love site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmyfm20s Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 You need to find a Comanche love site... This is the only site that has tolerated this Comanche propaganda:) Good thing he has treated our Mooney friends up north well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 You need to find a Comanche love site... His Comanche 400 basically has 2 mooney engines under the hood so we have to allow it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonal Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Although Doc shows a relentless love of his 400 he has never been disrespectful of our Mooney's even our little short bodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor05121 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Or a Comanche, the 400 in particular. Clarence Let me guess, yours is convieniently for sale...for the right price? Although Doc shows a relentless love of his 400 he has never been disrespectful of our Mooney's even our little short bodies. He's making up for the lack of a backwards tail, but we aren't falling for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarmaster Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Backward tail envy is not pretty... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoder Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 The term Comancehee is racist and offensive. Surrender your aircraft to me immediately. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I want to point out that this is the first time I've ever gotta a good close look at the full length rudder. People talk about that from time to time and I was never quite sure what they meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Although Doc shows a relentless love of his 400 he has never been disrespectful of our Mooney's even our little short bodies. I just want his love to be returned. Surely there is a place where a photo and discussion of his bird is the order of the day. May he find that place and have a blissful relationship. Or change the name of the sight and the monniker to reflect what it is: Mooney's of all shapes, sizes and age and the other guys that want to hang out with them. Maybe the Courts can force me to love his plane and be inclusive. Surely we can not have a type specific site. That is just wrong. I want a standard tail AND my make of plane to be included in the name of the site. I feel oppressed, my body aches...Perhaps he should sue for damages? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Ridiculous? Yes. And yet the game is played over and over again and again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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