GeorgePerry Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm interested in knowing if anyone has first hand experience with the EI CGR-30P? Opinion, goods, others…etc. http://buy-ei.com/portfolio/cgr-30p-overview/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowflyin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 George, I installed one in my 67F and have no regrets. Having previously been a JPI guy this was new territory for me as well. My installation would have allowed me to replace all the primaries except the fuel pressure. Initially I planned to use a separate fp but ended up keeping my stock tach and mp/fp for redundancy. The installation is clean, tidy and works as advertised. http://mooneyspace.com/gallery/image/35878-left-panel/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 is it easy to read? I like the smaller size, but I thought it may be hard to see at a glance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowflyin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I don't have any challenges reading it but as you can see mine is in a high profile spot. I highly recommend placing it within easy reach. It has multiple screens and I find myself fiddling. That being said, with the annunciator lights you can set it and forget it. If something gets out of spec the lights get your attention. Along that thread, put some thought into the limits when you fill out the sheet. The caution and master warning lights work off the data you give EI. For example, my POH has no yellow or green for voltage or amps. Therefore there is no warning if they get out of line. In hindsight I would done it differently. I'd like a big red flashing light if my ammeter is discharging in flight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubixcube2k3 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I've been pondering the same in my planning to upgrade my panel. It's good to get a first hand account of the CGR-30. I will say however, after getting estimates for install, I'm leaning toward the MVP-50 again. My logic is that the installation labor is about the same for both (at least at the avionics shop I've been talking to). MVP-50 is approximately $2000 more than the CGR-30 Premium (which is needed to go primary in our planes minus the fuel pressure gauge). More money on the instrument, but allows for complete removal of all primaries and much cleaner panel-scape. Unless I misunderstood, there is essentially no difference in the price of the MVP-50 installation labor vs the CGR-30 installation labor. Both requiring about 35-40 hrs to install. Sine I am planning a fairly extensive panel re-work (new panels and all in the second leg early next year) it makes more sense for me to go with the 50. However, if I were just adding an engine monitor, and not modding anything else, I would likely opt for the 30, since it would pop into an unused hole in the panel. Guess it's preference and + or - $2000. Abe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M016576 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I had an EI CGR-30P installed in my missile about 5 months ago. BLUF: good info, but nested in pages. Goods: the display is crisp. Information is customizable in location and settings prior to install. Standard form factor for maximum flexibility in install (I put mine where my TC used to be... Right next to the aspen). STC'd as a replacement for older gauges. Remote alarms are nice. Others: the smaller size results in a bunch of egt/cht displays. 4 nested pages means I'm switching screens pretty regularly. No proprietary software to analyze the data means that you have to build excel spreadsheet charts.. Or purchase someone else's software.. Or upload to savvy analytical service if you want to see charts vice the raw data Overall- it does what an engine monitor is supposed to do, and gives you primary status so you can remove older gauges or placard them as they fail. I had a JPI EDM-830 in my J model prior to the CGR-30P. It cost about 1000 more and wasn't a primary certified replacement... But... I liked how everything was on the main page. I think that's the only fault for the CGR-30P- the size of the display leads to menu nesting. BUT- even though you can't glance at all the parameters all the time, the 30P has an excellent caution / warning system that includes remote lights (red and yellow), so if a parameter ever does go out of limits, you're warned without looking directly at the instrument. It then "racks/stacks" the caution at the top of the screen, so you know what menu to go to. For example- I had a partially plugged injector on climb out out of medford last month. 100+ degree temps . My first indications were an oil hit caution (I have that set to 200 degrees), which clued me in to the suspiciously high egt on my #3 cylinder, as well as a high cht alarm (380) that went off shortly after. I caught the warning due to the blinking yellow light next to my ADI. Data download and leaning functionality are pretty similar between the two units- although I like the depiction of the engine on the 30p- helps me when I pull the cowl figure out which is which. Welcome back from the land of the rising sun, George! Getting another mooney any time soon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywarrior Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I, too am looking for a capable monitor, so this discussion is very helpful. <<"No proprietary software to analyze the data means that you have to build excel spreadsheet charts.. Or purchase someone else's software. Or upload to Savvy analytical service if you want to see charts vice the raw data.">> My professional specialty is data visualization - a great software solution for graphing performance data is Tableau, by http://www.tableausoftware.com . Desktop version is around 2 AMUs, but it is absolutely amazing. OTOH, Mike Busch's web-based graphing service is free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I put in a jpi 900 a few months ago and like it. It replaced all my instruments as primary, including fuel pressure. The limits on all these primary instruments are not changeable so they will be much higher than you want them to be (cht 475). Jpi has got around this by allow you to program pop up messages at any temp you want. So although the limit is still 475 you can configure it to alert you when it passes any set point you choose. Before that I had a 830 for a couple of years and never had any problems with it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePerry Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 George, I installed one in my 67F and have no regrets. Having previously been a JPI guy this was new territory for me as well. My installation would have allowed me to replace all the primaries except the fuel pressure. Initially I planned to use a separate fp but ended up keeping my stock tach and mp/fp for redundancy. The installation is clean, tidy and works as advertised. I had an EI CGR-30P installed in my missile about 5 months ago. BLUF: good info, but nested in pages. Goods: the display is crisp. Information is customizable in location and settings prior to install. Standard form factor for maximum flexibility in install (I put mine where my TC used to be... Right next to the aspen). STC'd as a replacement for older gauges. Remote alarms are nice. Others: the smaller size results in a bunch of egt/cht displays. 4 nested pages means I'm switching screens pretty regularly. No proprietary software to analyze the data means that you have to build excel spreadsheet charts.. Or purchase someone else's software.. Or upload to savvy analytical service if you want to see charts vice the raw data Overall- it does what an engine monitor is supposed to do, and gives you primary status so you can remove older gauges or placard them as they fail. I had a JPI EDM-830 in my J model prior to the CGR-30P. It cost about 1000 more and wasn't a primary certified replacement... But... I liked how everything was on the main page. I think that's the only fault for the CGR-30P- the size of the display leads to menu nesting. BUT- even though you can't glance at all the parameters all the time, the 30P has an excellent caution / warning system that includes remote lights (red and yellow), so if a parameter ever does go out of limits, you're warned without looking directly at the instrument. It then "racks/stacks" the caution at the top of the screen, so you know what menu to go to. For example- I had a partially plugged injector on climb out out of medford last month. 100+ degree temps . My first indications were an oil hit caution (I have that set to 200 degrees), which clued me in to the suspiciously high egt on my #3 cylinder, as well as a high cht alarm (380) that went off shortly after. I caught the warning due to the blinking yellow light next to my ADI. Data download and leaning functionality are pretty similar between the two units- although I like the depiction of the engine on the 30p- helps me when I pull the cowl figure out which is which. Welcome back from the land of the rising sun, George! Getting another mooney any time soon? Very Good info…Sounds like it'll do what I want it to do and there are no "major" complaints. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 George, Where will you be mounting it? For comparison, take a look at the offerings from... http://www.insightavionics.com/g3.htm JPI is the more expensive device from a better known company... AI is the nicer company to work with... Insight also builds the Strike Finder... I think the insight one handles the LOP calculation right on the front page with numbers on the graph. The cost challenge... It costs more to have the device act as primary instrumentation. It is probably worth it to many Mooney pilots. It would definitely be desired by all Mooney pilots... All are good. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePerry Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I need it to provide primary instrumentation. Should have stated that up front. thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 George -- unless JPI reduces their cost significantly, the CGR is the cheapest analyzer that can replace primary instruments. If it were available when I bought the JPI 830, I would have bought it instead. Even if I didn't remove my factory primaries, I do like redundancy in the aircraft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkaye Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Very Good info…Sounds like it'll do what I want it to do and there are no "major" complaints. Much appreciated. Hello, George. Very nice meeting you yesterday! For a long body and for very little more money the MVP 50 is one nice piece of equipment. While I haven't flown with the CGR yet, and it can do one important thing the MVP-50 can't (give fuel to destination, not just fuel to waypoint), having all the important information on one page makes it my choice over the CGR, If you call EI and ask to speak to Tyler and tell him the airplane that you want to put it into, my guess is he would recommend the MVP 50 over the CGR like he did to me when I asked 2 years ago at Oshkosh before I did my upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Hello, George. Very nice meeting you yesterday! For a long body and for very little more money the MVP 50 is one nice piece of equipment. While I haven't flown with the CGR yet, and it can do one important thing the MVP-50 can't (give fuel to destination, not just fuel to waypoint), having all the important information on one page makes it my choice over the CGR, If you call EI and ask to speak to Tyler and tell him the airplane that you want to put it into, my guess is he would recommend the MVP 50 over the CGR like he did to me when I asked 2 years ago at Oshkosh before I did my upgrade. The only negatives I am hearing on the CGR are the scrolling of the pages to get information (due to the form factor). The CGR-30P is also still a new product (released this past year) so robustness is still unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Why would anyone desire fuel to next WPT? From a safety point of view, I want to know that I have fuel to my destination with reserves. a yellow flashing light if my reserve is in question.. A red light with screaming alarm if my fuel to destination is in question... Fuel to WPT just leaves me calculating fuel to destination. That's why I paid the big bucks for the electronic device to begin with... If I'm getting only one piece of advice, make fuel to destination be a higher priority than fuel to WPT... I have neither in my high tech ship... FT101 is not connected to KLN90B... Or am I missing something? Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I have the JPI EDM 930. As you can see, I did not any space for the EDM on the left panel so the larger, 1 screen design works better. It replaced FP, tach, and the old engine gauges. I like it very much and have found JPI pretty helpful. The unit went back to the factory when I was chasing modulating FP. The EDM and the transducer checked out fine and JPI updated the firmware with new features and turned the unit around in 2 days. (We now suspect frayed ignition wires were the source of RF causing erratic FP. We're replacing wires so should confirm coming out of annual.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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