Scary Landing

[bnicolette]

Came across this today on youtube.  This guy cut it close but did the right thing and went around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ_du4ns5nM

[jetdriven]

Classic conditions for a prop strike. Coming in too fast, not pulling power off, and then trying to set the airplane down.   Then the porpoise starts.  Notice how far down the runway he is, perhaps 3000'. 

[KFlyer]

Way too fast.  Didn't we just have a thread about this?  Approach speed, not the video.  Paging robert7467...

[aerobat95]

Wow.....well he is just one flight away from all our insurance going up.....landing an airplane is not that hard....fly the friggin number and when it looks like shit it probably is and go around.  This guy should have went around after the first bounce on that first attempt at landing.  Then that second landing.....wow can you land any further down the runway.  In the T-6A the students landing zone is the first 1000 feet and they should be shooting for 500-1000 feet down.....on a no flap approach and landing its 500-1500 feet down.......and we land at 90 kts.....Please Please Please for everyones insurance sake.....if you land like this on a regular basis....put your frigging pride aside and get a damn instructor.

[MagicCarpet]

Looks like he made the right decisions.  He didn't prang it and executed a go-around.

In my Mooney, I'm over the numbers are ~85 and go from there.  If I have 7000ft. of runway, I may extend my float down further to get near the taxiway to pull off instead of taxiing a long way and tying up the runway.

[aerobat95]

yea maybe after he made a boat load of bad decisions......coming off the perch or when you turn base and base to final you need to be on speed....this guy was not.  Also he made a horrible decision as far as risk management is concerned the minute he pushed the power up and decided to takeoff.....

[aerobat95]

who knows though....maybe the guy was having a bad day......we all have those from time to time.....

[MagicCarpet]

I won't be too critical.  Can't tell a whole lot from a YouTube flight.  Although speculation could abound.  First attempt he was flaring over 90kts and enjoyed ground effect.  Second attempt was a good save since you can see he was above Vle until established on Base (by the fact that he didn't drop the gear until then) and was able to slow it down by the time he got over the numbers, which explains the touchdown further down the runway.

[MagicCarpet]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, every one of my landings is always perfect.  Not.

I've got 1,000 hours on my Mooney, and 3,000 in other stuff and every landing is new one.  And as we used to say in my Military flying days when things got tough "if takeoffs equal landings, you're good-to-go".

[aerobat95]

I'll try not to be to critical but as an instructor and I can speak for just about every UPT instructor I know we would never let a student start the final turn not configured.  Its a great way to forget to put the gear down all together.  Second, I would never let a student even attempt a touchdown with that much extra smash....no way no how....a great way to baloon  which could lead to a high sinking flare and a very abrupt touchdown or get into porpoising which could lead to a nose gear collapse.  Like I said maybe the guy was having a bad day....who knows....but if in fact this was the usual...then I will stand by my initial thought...that he is one flight away from all our insurance going up.

[aerobat95]

Quote: MagicCarpet

 "if takeoffs equal landings, you're good-to-go".

[MagicCarpet]

Works for me.

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[MARZ]

I don't know what you are all talking about........ that was a perfectly executed two in one touch and go finished with a tenative full stop to field test the brakes.

[MagicCarpet]

Sweet!  Most excellent commentary!

[jetdriven]

Quote: MagicCarpet

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, every one of my landings is always perfect.  Not.

I've got 1,000 hours on my Mooney, and 3,000 in other stuff and every landing is new one.  And as we used to say in my Military flying days when things got tough "if takeoffs equal landings, you're good-to-go".

[carusoam]

Power still in all the way down the runway...?

Then post the video....?

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[Jeff_S]

Man, some of you guys are harsh! I sure how no one is secretly shooting my landings and posting them on YouTube. We have no way of knowing what was going on in that aircraft. Maybe he was experimenting with just how fast he could be over the numbers...the runway certainly looked plenty long. I'm just sayin'...

[aviatoreb]

Quote: Jeff_S

Man, some of you guys are harsh! I sure how no one is secretly shooting my landings and posting them on YouTube. We have no way of knowing what was going on in that aircraft. Maybe he was experimenting with just how fast he could be over the numbers...the runway certainly looked plenty long. I'm just sayin'...

[Vref]

Too many speed mod's ........jeees the first touch and touch and go maybe....very scary...too slow no rwy ahead .pffffffffffttt.........would have gone around in a much earlier stage but hey who I am to judge...sometimes you grease sometimes not..

 

[Vref]

Quote: jetdriven

Classic conditions for a prop strike. Coming in too fast, not pulling power off, and then trying to set the airplane down.   Then the porpoise starts.  Notice how far down the runway he is, perhaps 3000'. 

[aviatoreb]

Quote: Bnicolette

Came across this today on youtube.  This guy cut it close but did the right thing and went around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ_du4ns5nM

[Comatose]

I think thrust reversers came about on jets because of the really slow spool up/spool down time on early turbine engines. if you can't kill the power promptly, you might as well redirect it in a useful direction. they are getting less common on new jet designs. a piston engine we can stop making power quite rapidly. 

[201er]

Quote: KFlyer

Way too fast.  Didn't we just have a thread about this?  Approach speed, not the video.  Paging robert7467...

[jlunseth]

My take is that the pilot made a simple mistake both times.  He pushed the nose over in order to descend on final.  That will result in speeds of 90-100 knots on final every time.  Throttle back nose up works on my plane every time.  I noticed that he also landed full flaps.  Maybe he needs all those flaps to slow the plane the way he is flying it, but there was that little flap-induced balloon on the second attempt, right when the plane entered ground effect. 

[Immelman]

Quote: jlunseth

My take is that the pilot made a simple mistake both times.  He pushed the nose over in order to descend on final.  That will result in speeds of 90-100 knots on final every time.  Throttle back nose up works on my plane every time.  I noticed that he also landed full flaps.  Maybe he needs all those flaps to slow the plane the way he is flying it, but there was that little flap-induced balloon on the second attempt, right when the plane entered ground effect.