G1000 and Garmin Flightstream in the Mooney

[Farolone]

I have been searching all forums and only read "it's not possible". Now I have it in my Mooney and it is working like a charm. 

 

[LANCECASPER]

4 hours ago, Farolone said:

I have been searching all forums and only read "it's not possible". Now I have it in my Mooney and it is working like a charm. 

 

That's great to hear

What software are you running in the G1000? 401.37?

Can the shop that did yours explain the installation and how they got it to work?

@Pmaxwell was hopeful that this could be done at some point.

@AVDB Michel do you know how to make this work?

[Schllc]

BOOM!!!!

Sign me up!  this is one of the only substantial changes the NXI brought to the g1000.  

IF they can make this work with a legacy g1000 that is huge!!!

Who did this install?

its registered in germany, i didn't think the acclaim was certified in europe, thats why all of them kept the us tails...  this is awesome but not sure if it is legal.  I sure hope it is!

[exM20K]

Want.

[midlifeflyer]

3 hours ago, Schllc said:

Sign me up!  this is one of the only substantial changes the NXI brought to the g1000.  

Believe it or not, even in the NXi, it's an airframe manufacturer choice.  My flying club had a Diamond DA40 NG with the NXi. Turned out Diamond blocked access to regular Connext so we had to have portable ADS-B if we wanted weather and traffic on our iPads. 

[Schllc]

18 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

Believe it or not, even in the NXi, it's an airframe manufacturer choice.  My flying club had a Diamond DA40 NG with the NXi. Turned out Diamond blocked access to regular Connext so we had to have portable ADS-B if we wanted weather and traffic on our iPads. 

I did know that it was mooney that was the holdup on the flightstream communication with garmin.    it sucks but some of these problems would go away completely if mooney went out of business

[Farolone]

That's great to hear
What software are you running in the G1000? 401.37?
Can the shop that did yours explain the installation and how they got it to work?
[mention=14708]Pmaxwell[/mention] was hopeful that this could be done at some point.
[mention=18998]AVDB[/mention] Michel do you know how to make this work?

Yes, .37 and some compnents of the cirris G1000. 100% legal.


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[Schllc]

12 minutes ago, Farolone said:

Yes, .37 and some compnents of the cirris G1000. 100% legal.


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is there any way the shop can document what they did to replicate here?  I cant speak for the other guys but i would pay something for the effort.

btw, i didn't mean to imply you did the work illegally, i mean legal for those of us in the US

[dkkim73]

@Farolone This is very cool!!! 

I agree with @Schllc, it is one of the big "missing pieces" in terms of function between the legacy G1000 and NXi. May I ask how you accomplished this? Did you use the Garmin HSDB with another device like a GI-275, or a Flightstream device (210 or 510)? Or some other magic box :)?

Or perhaps even just a SW switch/fix?  I know some folks out there actually offer services hacking G1000's, showing alternate backgrounds, etc, but that sounds a bit like unknown territory? 

Thanks,

David

 

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, dkkim73 said:

@Farolone This is very cool!!! 

I agree with @Schllc, it is one of the big "missing pieces" in terms of function between the legacy G1000 and NXi. May I ask how you accomplished this? Did you use the Garmin HSDB with another device like a GI-275, or a Flightstream device (210 or 510)? Or some other magic box :)?

Or perhaps even just a SW switch/fix?  I know some folks out there actually offer services hacking G1000's, showing alternate backgrounds, etc, but that sounds a bit like unknown territory? 

Thanks,

David

 

@Farolone mentioned in his initial post that it's a Flightstream 210, in fact the title of the post mentions the Flightstream.  The video he provided shows no GI-275. He has since said that he runs 401.37 software.

 

The ability to use the Flightstream 210 was included in the base software that is included in 401.37 since Cirrus uses that. This was mentioned over 4 years ago in the post announcing 401.37

 

[LANCECASPER]

@Farolone can you post or private message a picture of your System Status page?

[dkkim73]

1 hour ago, LANCECASPER said:

@Farolone mentioned in his initial post that it's a Flightstream 210, in fact the title of the post mentions the Flightstream.  The video he provided shows no GI-275. He has since said that he runs 401.37 software.

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The ability to use the Flightstream 210 was included in the base software that is included in 401.37 since Cirrus uses that. This was mentioned over 4 years ago in the post announcing 401.37

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Got it. Was moving too fast. So it feels almost like a feature flag that is turned off. IIRC some Acclaim owners with the 2700 RPM STC would somehow choose an Ovation profile to get the right #s and redlines in the G1000 (apologies if I'm butchering the specifics). Kind of makes me wonder if it has to do with what aircraft the G1000 is thinking it's in. He did mention some Cirrus parts (I do kind of wish I had the keypad, but where would it go? ;))

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[Schllc]

31 minutes ago, dkkim73 said:

Got it. Was moving too fast. So it feels almost like a feature flag that is turned off. IIRC some Acclaim owners with the 2700 RPM STC would somehow choose an Ovation profile to get the right #s and redlines in the G1000 (apologies if I'm butchering the specifics). Kind of makes me wonder if it has to do with what aircraft the G1000 is thinking it's in. He did mention some Cirrus parts (I do kind of wish I had the keypad, but where would it go? ;))

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I had the keypad. It is grossly overrated and actually an impediment in the cockpit of the Mooney. Furthermore it is rendered almost useless when you have a phone with garmin pilot or ForeFlight. 
the biggest issue I have with the g1000 is airways.
ATC never provides transitions and without that you often don’t have the option for the airway.  On the ground it’s just a minor inconvenience but on reroutes in the air it’s a pia. 
typing the clearance in your phone and sending to the NXI was flawless and the one thing I really miss from the ultra. 

[Farolone]

Very busy right now, will post details on the weekend.

[LANCECASPER]

This has been done in a Diamond DA42. https://www.diamondaviators.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8714

The key is whether the FS210 is on the loader card for the Mooney 401.37 software.

Installation Manual for the FS210: https://www.rvplane.com/pdf/Garmin/FlightStream210IM.pdf

[Schllc]

7 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

This has been done in a Diamond DA42. https://www.diamondaviators.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8714

The key is whether the FS210 is on the loader card for the Mooney 401.37 software.

Installation Manual for the FS210: https://www.rvplane.com/pdf/Garmin/FlightStream210IM.pdf

No secret that it’s been done. I think it’s also possible in Cessna or maybe a bonanza, and obviously the cirrus.  
When I found out it had been done with a g1000, I  had a conversation with both garmin and Mooney years ago after I sold my first ultra. 
Garmin said Mooney had to approve it to make it happen. I dropped it then knowing Mooney wouldn’t do anything. 
If there is a way for us to do it, I will absolutely get it done. 

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, Schllc said:

No secret that it’s been done. I think it’s also possible in Cessna or maybe a bonanza, and obviously the cirrus.  
When I found out it had been done with a g1000, I  had a conversation with both garmin and Mooney years ago after I sold my first ultra. 
Garmin said Mooney had to approve it to make it happen. I dropped it then knowing Mooney wouldn’t do anything. 
If there is a way for us to do it, I will absolutely get it done. 

It's been done in a Diamond even though Garmin and Diamond didn't approve it.

They used the fact that the bluetooth signal from the GTX345 in the avionics bay was not reaching the cockpit reliably. Since the FS210 delivers a bluetooth signal and can be in the cockpit the IA signed off as a minor alteration. The key was that that the FS210 was a selectable option in the G1000 loader card. If it is on the Mooney G1000 Loader card that would give a pathway.

[Schllc]

I read the link you posted. They OP said “some cirrus parts”. 
im heading to Brian on the 9th for my prop, surefly, and healthy list. If this is an easy install that will be awesome.  Happy to blaze that trail.