What the heck is an Ipad!?

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, 201er said:

Now it turns out Appareo Stratus 3 are out of stock nationwide till December

That is very good news. Garmin GDL 50 (ADS-B in), GDL 51 (XM only) or GDL52 (ADS-B and XM - music and weather) are much better units (I've owned a Stratus before). THE GDL works with Foreflight or Garmin Pilot or FltPlan Go. It works with iPads, Garmin Aeras. 

[201er]

40 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

That is very good news. Garmin GDL 50 (ADS-B in), GDL 51 (XM only) or GDL52 (ADS-B and XM - music and weather) are much better units (I've owned a Stratus before). THE GDL works with Foreflight or Garmin Pilot or FltPlan Go. It works with iPads, Garmin Aeras. 

Does it work with WingX?

[201er]

1 hour ago, donkaye said:

The older iPad Air 2 running the newest Garmin Pilot application was totally unacceptable to me.  It painted the maps unbelievably slow and occasionally bombed out completely.  Each iteration of GP has added more and more functionality such that the older iPads couldn't keep up.  I see that continuing to happen with each new iteration.  Cheap doesn't always cut it.  The speedy new iPad Pro I bought a couple of weeks ago has none of those problems---yet.

What kind of features did they add that are so intensive?

If not for battery/age issues my Ipad Air 2 seems to keep up just fine with WingX. It hasn't changed much over the years which I like.

[LANCECASPER]

11 minutes ago, 201er said:

Does it work with WingX?

I don't think so. WingX was one of the first apps I ever bought for my iPad way back when, but once I tried out Foreflight I was not impressed with Wing X. Foreflight and Garmin Pilot keep improving their apps at a much better rate than WingX, which I stopped using back in 2016. I prefer Foreflight, but if I had an all-Garmin panel I'd use Garmin Pilot. Garmin realized that there was not one clear aviation app winner so they support Foreflight and Pilot. Just one example: After filing flight plans with Foreflight I can't imagine going back.

[Marauder]

What kind of features did they add that are so intensive?
If not for battery/age issues my Ipad Air 2 seems to keep up just fine with WingX. It hasn't changed much over the years which I like.

I think Garmin Pilot and ForeFlight have added a lot of features to the software that gobbled up CPU capability. I know Garmin Pilot graphic refreshes were a lot slower on my iPad Mini 4 versus the 5. People I know with ForeFlight have seen even more enhancements.

If I recall correctly, you used to mount your iPad on the right side. If you are still mounting it there, I’d consider an iPad Pro.


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[carusoam]

1st… iPad with gps… aged out, slow, no upgrade path software or hardware. Needed replacement.

2nd… iPad Air with gps… was getting old, got left in a rental car one day… (hidden, so it didn’t get stolen…)

3rd… basic iPad no gps… low cost, dropped, dented, fun to use, without much care… still soldiering on..

4th… basic iPad no gps… low cost, on order… because I saved so much on the last one… two versions newer…

 

If you have good control, it never leaves the plane, go pro… or other expensive model…

The mini is small, but doesn’t do split screen displays like the regular iPad…  too iPhone like…

If you end up with an aged spare… the kids can watch all their Barney videos on it…

 

Figure out where your needs are… select accordingly.

Saving for college tuition… go cheap iPad, make it last…

If you have an iPhone, the iPad doesn’t need a gps…. Same in the plane, portable WAAS supplied via WiFi…

PP thoughts only, not an iPad expert..

Best regards,

-a-

[Bob W]

Will the iPad Pro 11 fit between the horns? My 2d gen 12.9 doesn’t.

[TheAv8r]

5 minutes ago, Bob W said:

Will the iPad Pro 11 fit between the horns? My 2d gen 12.9 doesn’t.

It won't if you're mounting it horizontally, it might if vertically, but then you're almost guaranteed to be blocking the panel or it's hitting your legs. I have an iPad Mini 5 mounted horizontally on the yoke and it takes up just about all the space. I also have an iPad Pro and can't imagine it fitting anywhere in a Mooney!

[201er]

Ok, so now that I've had a chance to try and fly with the new ipad 9th Gen, here's my feedback.

I went from the top of the line ipad Air 2 which I had since around 2016 to the bottom of the line ipad 9 which came out in 2021. The ipad 9 is slightly faster at rendering sectionals when rapidly scrolling in WingX. The ipad Air 2 appeared to have about a half second of lag and the new ipad 9 has about a quarter second of lag. Either amount is imperceptible because it takes longer to focus the eye on the map than the load time. So, my advice is that if all you use the ipad for is maps, email, web browsing, the cheapest one is more than enough.

[Bob E]

Ok, I'll add my two cents' worth:

• The iPad mini (latest two versions I believe) has the brightest display of any iPad.
• The iPad mini is a perfect size to mount right on the yoke. I like horizontal since it allows an unobstructed view of the panel (plates can be positioned and zoomed), but some people prefer vertical so the whole plate is visible.
• 128 GB of storage is quite enough to hold the entire Foreflight U.S. database.
• A matte screen protector will almost completely eliminate reflections.
• The lock/unlock issue can be eliminated if you're running ForeFlight simply by configuring it to never lock while running the app.
• It's worth hooking up a USB charger port, either built-in or tapping into the cigarette lighter plug (whatever it's called these days), and then running a charger cord from there to the ipad on the yoke to guarantee continuous power. Much easier than worrying about %.
• On a bright sunny day the iPad will heat up quickly and shut down if not either vented (left knee vent directed up at it) or sunblocked (slap-on window shade).  Preferably both. Avoid using a case on a sunny day.
• A two-way link between the aircraft GPS and the iPad is crucial (VFR or IFR).  There are many variations; I use a Garmin FlightStream 210 to link to a GPS-400W via Bluetooth. The main thing is that ADS/B traffic, weather, and flight plans/approaches are all displayed on the iPad. Also, the ability to do flight planning at home and then transfer the flight plan(s) to the GPS unit in the aircraft via Bluetooth is fantastic. Changing waypoints or approaches on the GPS unit automatically updates the iPad, and vice versa.
• iPads are so cheap compared to aviation-specific equipment (priced in AMUs), that it's worth getting one or two, dedicated for use in the aircraft. There's no need to buy new! The next-to-newest generation or even newest generation can be purchased used and they still work like new!
• The FlightStream 210 (and I assume other devices) will accept links to 2 Bluetooth devices, so it's easy to have identical setups for pilot and co-pilot:  2 iPad minis, 2 yoke mounts, 2 charger cords. That also gives you an automatic, instant backup if one of the iPads shuts down from overheating.
• Try to mount the ipad as perpendicular to the ground as possible while still being easy to view. If you ever need the ForeFlight version of the artificial horizon, it won't work if the iPad is laid too flat.
• I don't know about you guys, but I have yet to find a nice, compact yoke mount, so I built my own.

[rotorman]

IPad 8th Gen. Model #MYLE2LL/A.  Purchased from Walmart in Feb 2021 $395 delivered. 10.0 inch screen. Size 9.5x7.75 in. 128GB. Just fits between the yoke without blocking any instruments.  Works well and the OS version of Garmin pilot is far superior to the Android. I should have switched years ago. The only complaint, as stated by others and not insignificant is overheat.

[Amelia]

My two-year-old iPad mini 5 with all the memory and gps, but not hooked up to cellular plan, is my all-day go-to computer. It boasts enough memory for two EFBs and all the data bases, plus photos, word docs, Kindle and internet foolishness. It’s perfect horizontally mounted on the yoke of my M20S, obscures nothing, is bright, sharp  and fast. Mounted with an x-back ram mount, I have never had it overheat. It and my iPhone are linked. It runs both Garmin and FlyQ just fine, and flight planning is a breeze. The Stratus III works beautifully with FlyQ, (I’m sad Garmin insists on playing  ugly) and it is just a very satisfactory bit of wizardry. I forgot it once, had to unfold a paper chart to find my way to the other side of NC, and was reminded how very spoiled I’ve become. With an ordinary two-usb 2.1 amp cig plug, it will fully charge the Mini during the course of a flight, with power left to top off the iPhone. I expect to use this one happily for at least another year or two.