toto Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 I’ve had ADLOG for many years, but my new mx shop has their own online database and they aren’t interested in using the ADLOG logs. So the ADLOG logs are frozen in time (i.e., ADs requiring additional inspection have a bunch of signatures and then stop suddenly where the new shop took over). The inspections have been done correctly and signed off in the appropriate logbooks, but the shop is not willing to sign the ADLOG pages separately. So my question is.. can I just fill out the inspection rows on the AD pages with appropriate data and then say something like “see engine log” for the signature? I’m concerned about some future IA looking at the frozen ADLOG page and not realizing that the AD was actually signed off correctly but just not written in the standalone page.
PeteMc Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 So what do they give you when you pick up your plane after an annual? I am *assuming* your Logbook does not just live in their computer and you walk away with some sort of printout as a real Logbook entries. (I'd probably want a signature on those pages too!) If not, tell them no thanks and move on. I would never rely upon some mechanics computer Logbook program as the only source. I'm in the tech business and do a lot of network and computer work for clients. As much as "The Cloud" has become a wonderful tool for those items that need to be collaborated on, I've seen too much data somehow lost that really had no point being on some other computer or network. My quick thoughts on the ADs specifically is that they should just print a new list every time they do a new AD. Maybe two lists... One for all the One-Time items that only needs to be printed when a new item is added. The other list for all those Recurring ADs which would probably be replaced with a new printout every year (or as needed).
toto Posted July 11, 2021 Author Report Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, PeteMc said: So what do they give you when you pick up your plane after an annual? I am *assuming* your Logbook does not just live in their computer and you walk away with some sort of printout as a real Logbook entries. Right, no, I probably didn't explain that very well. They do all of the logbook entries, which include recurring ADs where appropriate. These entries are made in the ADLOG books. The thing they don't do is make entries on any of the ADLOG pages.. the loose leaf ones that they mail you when you start the subscription or when a new AD is issued. Since the AD pages have no regulatory significance as far as I know, it seems reasonable to fill them out myself. But the whole idea with ADLOG is that you've got one very simple page that shows the entire history of compliance with that AD, and each entry would normally be signed by the A&P. Since I already have a signature on the actual mx entry in the appropriate logbook, the signature on the AD page is really duplicative. But still.
toto Posted July 11, 2021 Author Report Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, bluehighwayflyer said: I wouldn’t worry about it personally. The same thing has happened to me twice now actually with both of the Mooneys I have owned. The real value in AdLog for me is the occasional notification that I receive from them when a new AD is issued on my plane. But you’re the customer and they are your logbooks. If you want to maintain the AdLog pages with references to their logbook entries I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. I started with the ADLOG when doing owner-assisted annuals with an independent mechanic, and ADLOG was the only source either of us had for AD information. But it seems like many shops prefer to use their own online db subscription, and they just refresh the pages each year with a new printout. When I have spoken with the shop about it, they basically just seem more comfortable with their system, and don't want to bother with filling out extra paperwork beyond the logs.
PeteMc Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, toto said: They do all of the logbook entries, which include recurring ADs where appropriate. I got it now. So although you're used to AdLog, you might just look at what you're getting now from them and re-evaluate if you even need AdLog going forward. My mechanic does kind of a hybrid for what is required for my plane. Like many shops now, he has a subscription service and has my plane & engine info in it (or whatever info he needs). He checks that system when doing the Annual and pulls up anything new or recurring that is required for my plane. I have to ask him again, but I think he can make notes for follow-up or recurring items that have nothing to do with what the subscription tells him. So if I tell him at the next annual I want to do X, it will show up when he pulls up the Annual form to start on my plane. So depending upon what they're giving you back in their paperwork, you may no longer need to fill in those pages or need AdLogs at all.
toto Posted July 12, 2021 Author Report Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, bluehighwayflyer said: I have had the exact same experience and have just gone with it. 2 hours ago, PeteMc said: So although you're used to AdLog, you might just look at what you're getting now from them and re-evaluate if you even need AdLog going forward. Thanks guys - I do still see value in getting the AD notifications, so I'll probably keep the subscription one way or the other.
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