RobertGary1 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Posted January 11, 2019 I'm curious if there an a published algorithm for how they do this. For instance my CP pilot certificate says... "Airplane single engine land & sea; airplane multiengine land" They could also have chosen "Airplane multi & single engine land; airplane single engine sea" If I get my MES will it say "Airplane single & multi engine land & sea"? Maybe I'll have to get the MES just to see what it says.
RobertGary1 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Report Posted January 11, 2019 Or could it be dependent on the order I got my certs since I got my commercial ASEL and ASES before my AMEL. -Robert
Immelman Posted January 11, 2019 Report Posted January 11, 2019 It sounds like more research (i.e. ratings) are required!! I can tell you they list the type ratings alphabetically. I sure would like to add SES and Glider..... very hard to justify when caring for a Mooney takes time and money.
RobertGary1 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Report Posted January 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Immelman said: It sounds like more research (i.e. ratings) are required!! I can tell you they list the type ratings alphabetically. I sure would like to add SES and Glider..... very hard to justify when caring for a Mooney takes time and money. I thought about Glider too. Its easy to get it at the private level but a bit more work to add it to your commercial. I think any private priv always gets put on the very bottom. -Robert
thinwing Posted January 11, 2019 Report Posted January 11, 2019 2 hours ago, RobertGary1 said: Or could it be dependent on the order I got my certs since I got my commercial ASEL and ASES before my AMEL. -Robert No mine is alphabetical order also...airplane single engine land and sea;Airplane Multiengine land;instrument Airplane;Rotercraft-Helicopter;Glider
EricS Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 Another data point. (Mine) Airplane single engine land; instrument airplane; glider; lighter-than-air free balloon Not in the order earned.
M016576 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Mine says, as follows... and not in the order earned- Airline Transport Pilot Airplane multiengine land Commercial privileges Airplane single engine land I suppose the ATP multi confers commercial privileges- obviously that’s not the other way around for the SE or else they wouldn’t list “commercial privileges” below. I do know that ATP confers an instrument rating (it is no longer written on your ticket- it is now assumed). I guess the FAA has some sort of hierarchy they follow for listing ratings. Edited January 12, 2019 by M016576
N201MKTurbo Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 11 hours ago, M016576 said: Mine says, as follows... and not in the order earned- Airline Transport Pilot Airplane multiengine land Commercial privileges Airplane single engine land I suppose the ATP multi confers commercial privileges- obviously that’s not the other way around for the SE or else they wouldn’t list “commercial privileges” below. I do know that ATP confers an instrument rating (it is no longer written on your ticket- it is now assumed). I guess the FAA has some sort of hierarchy they follow for listing ratings. That’s exactly what mine says, at least they are consistent. 1
RobertGary1 Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 It’s kind of strange but the faa considers it you are still an atp in a single but just limited to commercial priv. This becomes an issue if you solo in say a helicopter. You’re still an atp pilot so the solo endorsement is different and some limitations like the solo expiration don’t apply. -Robert
midlifeflyer Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 9:46 PM, M016576 said: Mine says, as follows... and not in the order earned- Airline Transport Pilot Airplane multiengine land Commercial privileges Airplane single engine land I suppose the ATP multi confers commercial privileges- obviously that’s not the other way around for the SE or else they wouldn’t list “commercial privileges” below. I do know that ATP confers an instrument rating (it is no longer written on your ticket- it is now assumed). I guess the FAA has some sort of hierarchy they follow for listing ratings. They list "commercial privileges" for SE because your ATP certificate only has a multi engine rating. Get an ATP single rating and the separation will go away.
midlifeflyer Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 5 hours ago, RobertGary1 said: It’s kind of strange but the faa considers it you are still an atp in a single but just limited to commercial priv. This becomes an issue if you solo in say a helicopter. You’re still an atp pilot so the solo endorsement is different and some limitations like the solo expiration don’t apply. -Robert That's just as true for a private pilot, ASEL, who solos a helicopter. You are no longer a "student pilot" and 61.31(d) applies to solo flight in a new category or class, not 61.87 or 61.93.
M016576 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, midlifeflyer said: They list "commercial privileges" for SE because your ATP certificate only has a multi engine rating. Get an ATP single rating and the separation will go away. The juice ain’t worth the squeeze for a single ATP for me. Not many majors flying single engine at this point (maybe in the future??). but yes, you are correct. Edited January 13, 2019 by M016576
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