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[peevee]

  On 3/29/2017 at 2:02 PM, tigers2007 said:

I stumbled upon some of Piloto's postings about this in an old thread last night. I'm planning a 6.5hr cross-country and just realized that I'll probably need to pee more than once. So I ordered an 18-pack of Travel John bags that have the gel in them. I was shocked to read about these "relief tubes" as I thought those were Old Pilots Tales; my grandfather, a WW2 pilot, told me about them many years ago but I didn't believe him until now.


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Never fear, you too can knock a hole in your floor and piss everywhere.

[flyboy0681]

  On 3/28/2017 at 10:33 PM, gsxrpilot said:

Nothing about this hobby makes any financial sense. But it is fun. 

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That about sums it up. 

[yvesg]

  On 3/29/2017 at 2:02 PM, tigers2007 said:

I stumbled upon some of Piloto's postings about this in an old thread last night. I'm planning a 6.5hr cross-country and just realized that I'll probably need to pee more than once. So I ordered an 18-pack of Travel John bags that have the gel in them. I was shocked to read about these "relief tubes" as I thought those were Old Pilots Tales; my grandfather, a WW2 pilot, told me about them many years ago but I didn't believe him until now.


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Piloto's aircraft relief tube is real. I have seen it in person.

Yves

[yvesg]

  On 3/29/2017 at 11:00 AM, Alain B said:

Salut Yves , pour le moment je vais le garder a CYHU mais je vais garder l enregistrement au USA , car il va appartenir a un trust americain . On verra pour la suite . Tu y vois un probleme ? 

 

Part 2 of french course .

Alain 

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Je continue en privé.

Yves

[peevee]

  On 3/29/2017 at 4:57 PM, yvesg said:

Piloto's aircraft relief tube is real. I have seen it in person.

Yves

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real unfortunate?

[goncaloareia]

Here's the relief tube exit from a friend's 252 here in Europe (N228RM).

[Alain B]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:04 PM, goncaloareia said:

Here's the relief tube exit from a friend's 252 here in Europe (N228RM).

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How many knots does it cost ?

 

[201er]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:14 PM, Alain B said:

How many knots does it cost ?

 

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Look on the bright side, you get a little more thrust while it's in use!

[Alain B]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:17 PM, 201er said:

Look on the bright side, you get a little more thrust while it's in use!

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I guess it depend who is using it ! 

[Hank]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:14 PM, Alain B said:

How many knots does it cost ?

 

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I'm more concerned about the long term effects of spraying urine on the belly and tail. 

[Raptor05121]

Any news on the M10?

[1964-M20E]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:34 PM, Hank said:

I'm more concerned about the long term effects of spraying urine on the belly and tail. 

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just keep some extra bottles of water and rinse after use.   Where is that light precipitation when you need it.

 

 

[Piloto]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:04 PM, goncaloareia said:

Here's the relief tube exit from a friend's 252 here in Europe (N228RM).

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Here is mine on a M20J here in Florida USA

[Piloto]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:14 PM, Alain B said:

How many knots does it cost ?

 

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I have not seen any speed decrease due to the pilot relief venturi. However I saw a speed increase of about 3 kts when I cleaned the wing leading edge with Rain X for plastic. I applied Rain X to overcome icing. My son in Pittsburgh use it on his cars for deicing the windshield.

https://www.rainx.com/

 

 

[AndyFromCB]

  On 3/29/2017 at 6:05 PM, Piloto said:

I have not seen any speed decrease due to the pilot relief venturi. However I saw a speed increase of about 3 kts when I cleaned the wing leading edge with Rain X for plastic. I applied Rain X to overcome icing. My son in Pittsburgh use it on his cars for deicing the windshield.

https://www.rainx.com/

 

 

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And how exactly does that work? So supercooled water hits your leading edge, doesn't freeze due some magical Rain X properties and then does what?

[AndyFromCB]

  On 3/29/2017 at 2:44 PM, flyboy0681 said:

That about sums it up. 

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And that's why Mooney will be lucky to sell 10 of these machines. Because they are looking for hobbyist/pilots. Cirrus builds aircraft for people whom have a purpose for their $800K traveling machines whom also happen to be pilots. That's why you see a ton of 8 year Acclaims for sale with 400 hours on then while almost every 3 year Cirrus for sale has close to 1000 hours. They actually get flown for a purpose, on schedule and are purchased with pre-tax dollars. "Real" pilots choose Mooney or Bonanza, people looking for safe, reliable transportation choose Cirrus, leave the GFC700 on and don't notice "handling", whatever that is.

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[Piloto]

  On 3/29/2017 at 6:10 PM, AndyFromCB said:

And how exactly does that work? So supercooled water hits your leading edge, doesn't freeze due some magical Rain X properties and then does what?

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I am not an expert on the subject. All what Rain X does it keeps water from sticking to the surface thus ice can not form. What surprised me about Rain X is how long it last and the speed increase. I have not been in moderate icing to make an assessment but from my son experience in PIT it works pretty well in freezing rain.

José

[Shadrach]

  On 3/28/2017 at 7:55 PM, Piloto said:

Premier Aircraft at KFXE have them for sale at a mere $769,000 with full fuel and a Mooney hat.

https://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/1419467/2017-mooney-acclaim-ultra

 

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You missed the fine print price...$797,900 as equiped

[Shadrach]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:04 PM, goncaloareia said:

Here's the relief tube exit from a friend's 252 here in Europe (N228RM).

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Thanks for posting.  When do Mooney go to Cherry Max rivets on the wing root fairings?  The fairings on my 1967 F are held in place with sheet metal screws and tinnerman nuts. 

[Godfather]

  On 3/29/2017 at 6:13 PM, AndyFromCB said:

 "Real" pilots choose Mooney or Bonanza, people looking for safe, reliable transportation choose Cirrus, leave the GFC700 on and don't notice "handling", whatever that is.

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People looking for safe, reliable transportation choose charter/commercial flights...I'm not sure what you're smoking but I want some. 

[Alain B]

  On 3/29/2017 at 6:13 PM, AndyFromCB said:

And that's why Mooney will be lucky to sell 10 of these machines. Because they are looking for hobbyist/pilots. Cirrus builds aircraft for people whom have a purpose for their $800K traveling machines whom also happen to be pilots. That's why you see a ton of 8 year Acclaims for sale with 400 hours on then while almost every 3 year Cirrus for sale has close to 1000 hours. They actually get flown for a purpose, on schedule and are purchased with pre-tax dollars. "Real" pilots choose Mooney or Bonanza, people looking for safe, reliable transportation choose Cirrus, leave the GFC700 on and don't notice "handling", whatever that is.

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Is those the same Cirrus who fly 200 knots on 16 gph ? 

[AndyFromCB]

  On 3/29/2017 at 6:56 PM, Alain B said:

Is those the same Cirrus who fly 200 knots on 16 gph ? 

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Here you go, sorry only 198 on 15.6 at 17. Nate's old SR22 on the way to Lincoln, NE. Pretty positive climbing another 1000ft would have given it even 200.

https://picoolio.net/images/2017/03/29/CirrusSR22f003a.jpg

So how do you like them apples? Only about 10knots slower than a TKSed Acclaim on same fuel flow (LOP) without frozen, cramped feet. Of course, not unexpected considering 30ft less wing area. Also, not sure what you were referring to about SR22 being the worst aircraft to fly in the bumps. With 25lb/sq ft it rides considerably better than anything other than maybe the TTX. Plus I don't ever recall slamming my head against the ceiling in the SR22, while it happen on almost every summer flight in my old Bravo. More headroom and real restraint system go a long way. Never had an issues handling any wind in a SR22 I would not tackle in a Bravo. Actually, when I think about, the new G5 handles crosswind better than almost anything out there with its real draggy flaps. The wing just quits flying upon touchdown with a ton of rudder still left to spare. Not something I've ever been able to say about M20M rudder. There was never enough. And zero need to do heroic, much faster no flap landings like some here recommend. 

Sorry, Mooney will be lucky to sell 10 of these things before going Tango Uniform again.

Edited March 29, 2017 by AndyFromCB

[Andy95W]

  On 3/29/2017 at 6:31 PM, Shadrach said:

Thanks for posting.  When do Mooney go to Cherry Max rivets on the wing root fairings?  The fairings on my 1967 F are held in place with sheet metal screws and tinnerman nuts. 

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Those are just regular old pop rivets.  Might have gotten switched out before paint.  Not sure how the new ones come out of the factory?

[Alain B]

  On 3/29/2017 at 7:12 PM, AndyFromCB said:

Here you go, sorry only 198 on 15.6 at 17. Nate's old SR22 on the way to Lincoln, NE. Pretty positive climbing another 1000ft would have given it even 200.

https://picoolio.net/images/2017/03/29/CirrusSR22f003a.jpg

So how do you like them apples? Only about 10knots slower than a TKSed Acclaim on same fuel flow (LOP) without frozen, cramped feet. Of course, not unexpected considering 30ft less wing area. Also, not sure what you were referring to about SR22 being the worst aircraft to fly in the bumps. With 25lb/sq ft it rides considerably better than anything other than maybe the TTX. Plus I don't ever recall slamming my head against the ceiling in the SR22, while it happen on almost every summer flight in my old Bravo. More headroom and real restraint system go a long way. Never had an issues handling any wind in a SR22 I would not tackle in a Bravo. Actually, when I think about, the new G5 handles crosswind better than almost anything out there with its real draggy flaps. The wing just quits flying upon touchdown with a ton of rudder still left to spare. Not something I've ever been able to say about M20M rudder. There was never enough. And zero need to do heroic, much faster no flap landings like some here recommend. 

Sorry, Mooney will be lucky to sell 10 of these things before going Tango Uniform again.

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That's your opinion , i will still get an Acclaim . By the way you are at 17000 and ISA probably +20 . 

[201er]

  On 3/29/2017 at 5:47 PM, Piloto said:

Here is mine on a M20J here in Florida USA

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Perhaps Mooney should have Jose design the next one. They can call it the M20PP

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