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Yeah, in the days of sr71s and u2s flying up there they had a system. The controllers didn't know the altitudes but as long as two weren't on the same code they were at different altitudes. If they were they would work something out.

I beleive flight watch is no more.

Most of the time it just confuses the crew to ask or say anything outside of routine.

Even if he climbed out of it no telling if he could shed that ice, and then had to carry it until the fuel stop and risk accumulating more on the way down until in warmer air. I agree getting out ASAP was the way to go.

You have to consider a big sector might be 200 miles in its longest direction. Planes rarely fly that, they corner cut and duck through or in and back out etc. So if he's in a sector for 100 miles I'll let you do the math on how long he would be "in" that sector. There are also reasons not to use vhf above 600 but that's a whole other story. It also applies to vors, though the 71 used celestial nav probably almost exclusively I'm sure. While class a stops at 600 atc still separated traffic above 600, I just don't think I can go into it in public.

Yeah, I've read sled driver... Thanks. I know who Walt is.

It's incredibly unlikely. Bordering on impossible. The GA airplanes would be on vhf. The fighter on uhf, and the sr71 on a separate uhf that covers the entire facility. At Mach 3 it would be impossible for a 71 to be given freq changes and dial them in quick enough to check in in freq, so they didn't. There is one for the center they would use. The navigator probably had vhf radios, and he probably had charts with sector frequencies. What he didn't have is how sectors were combined up and which freq they used, so he likely couldn't change and monitor on his own because the freqs in use don't always match the charts.. The only way I can imagine this happening is in the middle of the night on mid configuration and they were all using vhf for some reason, tough since the fighters today don't all have vhf...

All us we that ends well. It's disappointing for sure but probably the right choice. I would have turned back also I think. I'm not big on climbing through icing.

That story really confuses me. Brian schul is a very respected pilot. However, those airplanes would be on separate frequencies. I hate to question, but it's nearly impossible for that to happen. I don't even have to click the link, I know which story it is.

Most of us learned in grade school that "but he started it" isn't a valid excuse. George makes a good point.

Or a rocket.

I have answered that. Twice. It's first come, first serve. The only rule is 5 miles and a thousand feet. It's my discretion beyond that. Yes. And it doesn't matter. You could have one and it wouldn't matter. The faa order says safe, orderly expeditious, pick two I guess. UT that's one guy's opinion and I'm in a shit mood tonight, it'll be different tomorrow.

It doesn't get real until the chief pilot makes the crew send a personalized, hand written apology. It has happened. ORD is a disaster because Minnie center feeds it. Lol

The edct can be for a lot of things. If it's a gdp it's like a chainsaw. It finds you a time at the threshold but that doesn't mean you can land stacked, you still have to be fit into the overhead stream. That still takes finesse. Mostly what I'm reading is a bunch of people struggling to grasp that they're not the only airplane in the sky. LA center runs a staggered feed to tracon. You'll get sequenced 350+ miles out no matter which stream you're on, bce, drk, or pgs The difference between a m20c and a m20k is not enough to even get most enough controllers attention. They're essentially the same. Now the difference between a eclipse jet and a 757 both trying to occupy FL 360, that gets it.

90%+ an airliner will take an altitude change over a vector. So, again, every situation is different and there is no way to answer the question. Below fl180 visual separation is yet another option. If I have time I might ask. I may not have time or be in the mood or have fifteen other higher duty priorities to worry about and a frequency to control.

It's a first come, first serve system. In a perfect world that's how it would run. In reality no situation is the same and whatever is the least amount of work for the three people involved is what's going to happen. Barring other traffic I'd take the slow guy down or climb the fast guy a thousand feet.

Yeah. It is.

Seems like the market is dead. Our k has had 2 inquiries in 2 months.

Oh, I have a vac pump for ac purposes. If I can make the fittings work out that'd be easy, didn't think of that. It probably won't take much vacuum before the Scott fittings start to open though.

Here's a question: how does one purge the tank after someone left the switch on and it's been allowed to breathe in atmosphere? The poh warns against it, but it happens...

I kind of agree a thousand bucks or the better part of is absurd.

Maybe thermawing will come along for the Mooney or some kind of nano tech coating will come along.

I took a collie from slc back to Denver at 13,5 and he seemed no worse for wear when we arrived. I hike 14ers and see dogs up there doing fine so I think they're OK to 14 or 15, beyond that who knows.

I haven't done a lot, but I've done pilots n paws runs and the plane noise never seemed to bother the dogs. It's the altitude I worry about

I have to admit I like the flags that remind me if I forget to remove the plug.