Yetti Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 1 hour ago, SilentT said: Aaaaaand after segregation and review by the apia, she sent this note with this estimate of what truly needs done We have an altimeter that passes tests for $550.00, we will need the encoder and I found one for $350. I took all the parts to cost to help you out. I found a tail beacon for $1430.00 on Ebay, I didn't add it yet. EST 25-7964 Revised 11-10-2025.pdf 101.58 kB · 5 downloads Not sure what the plan is with Avionics, but if you upgrade to the TailBeacon X you can lose some of that Anchor weight and be compliant mode S. for the $3500.00 rebuild cost. https://uavionix.com/general-aviation/tailbeaconx/ The one thing that might be a bit of a hassle is inputing the Transponder codes. You have to dial instead of pushing a number. Then if you want to go digital HSI and DG for another $5K you can get two AV-30C
LANCECASPER Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 @SilentT just make sure the used TailBeacon on Ebay has a return policy if it doesn't work. This was a recent thread over the weekend:
SilentT Posted November 10 Author Report Posted November 10 31 minutes ago, Yetti said: Not sure what the plan is with Avionics, but if you upgrade to the TailBeacon X you can lose some of that Anchor weight and be compliant mode S. for the $3500.00 rebuild cost. https://uavionix.com/general-aviation/tailbeaconx/ The one thing that might be a bit of a hassle is inputing the Transponder codes. You have to dial instead of pushing a number. Then if you want to go digital HSI and DG for another $5K you can get two AV-30C I think long term I want to just go the dynon route and have a lifetime plane. One upgrade to rule them all, get it right once. Pay the tears once. But I want adsb now until that time comes like 24 months so I need a used tailbeacon.
Yetti Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 1 hour ago, SilentT said: I think long term I want to just go the dynon route and have a lifetime plane. One upgrade to rule them all, get it right once. Pay the tears once. But I want adsb now until that time comes like 24 months so I need a used tailbeacon. Used tailbeacon is going to be hard to find. The old ones seem to die, the one that was put on my plane in 2019 was dead and "the old version" at the beginning of this year. Your King Autopilot may just need some new Capacitors. Search this forum using google. Mooneyspace without the .com and what you are searching for. The list you posted had the Airworthy items noted. A Dynon System is about $23K plus install costs which seem to be 1:1 with hardware. Put a 406 ELT on your future list. The Narco 10 that you have is not so great in a couple of ways. The seat not locking in is usually dirt in the holes. Clean with a 1/4 drill bit using your hand not a drill. and a vacuum cleaner. If it is the gauges across the top of the panel I have a set out of a 1975 F model that worked as removed. First thing to check on the gauges is the ground wire to the panel. 1
SilentT Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 28 minutes ago, Yetti said: Used tailbeacon is going to be hard to find. The old ones seem to die, the one that was put on my plane in 2019 was dead and "the old version" at the beginning of this year. Your King Autopilot may just need some new Capacitors. Search this forum using google. Mooneyspace without the .com and what you are searching for. If it is the gauges across the top of the panel I have a set out of a 1975 F model that worked as removed. First thing to check on the gauges is the ground wire to the panel. Point one above taken Point two above, the king ap still turns the yoke pretty hard. I think it might work but I also believe it works off the attitude indicator which didn't work because dead pump? Also the hsi, kinda worked? I'm still not sure and the cfi was scratching a bit, because it's electric I think. More to determine there. It definitely didnt follow anything of consequence though. Point 3 above, the egt apparently works. Not sure if accurate? The cht well it's just an analog line and it barely tics off the min on climb and cruise.... Soooo maybe as they say "my plane ran fantastic until I got a engine monitor"
LANCECASPER Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 3 hours ago, Yetti said: Then if you want to go digital HSI and DG for another $5K you can get two AV-30C I don't think those will work with his Bendix King KAP 150 Autopilot.
LANCECASPER Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 37 minutes ago, SilentT said: Point one above taken Point two above, the king ap still turns the yoke pretty hard. I think it might work but I also believe it works off the attitude indicator which didn't work because dead pump? Also the hsi, kinda worked? I'm still not sure and the cfi was scratching a bit, because it's electric I think. More to determine there. It definitely didnt follow anything of consequence though. Point 3 above, the egt apparently works. Not sure if accurate? The cht well it's just an analog line and it barely tics off the min on climb and cruise.... Soooo maybe as they say "my plane ran fantastic until I got a engine monitor" Your King Autopilot is Attitude based so w/o your vacuum pump, no Attitude. Once you get vacuum see how it does and go from there.
Scott Ashton Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 On 11/7/2025 at 2:49 PM, SilentT said: Soooo, I got my first estimate for my plane after picking it up 3 weeks ago. A whopping 25k. To be fair it's priced at full retail not used parts or viable alternatives. It also includes many things the A&P said can definitely wait, but is a comprehensive list of everything they found. But wowzers. She was good if I wanted to Source some of my own parts to help save money. Gear pucks quoted at $287/ea, where yall buying yours? Tailbeacon quoted $2200 anyone got a used one? Other big item, encoding alt needs overhaul (3k), might as well throw it away and get alternative plus separate encoder? I actually had to swap out my encoding altimeter for a different PN to use when I installed my KAS298 preselect…I have the old one in my office and can check the PN for you in the morning and let you know…what SN is your J? Mine is an 85 and I have 1533….
SilentT Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 11 minutes ago, Scott Ashton said: I actually had to swap out my encoding altimeter for a different PN to use when I installed my KAS298 preselect…I have the old one in my office and can check the PN for you in the morning and let you know…what SN is your J? Mine is an 85 and I have 1533…. I'm 85 as well, prob finished in 84 24-1506
SilentT Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 22 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said: Your King Autopilot is Attitude based so w/o your vacuum pump, no Attitude. Once you get vacuum see how it does and go from there. Thats what I was trying to allude to. The hsi was the head scratcher. Also I'm ignorant of the controls for free / slave toggle and cw / ccw controls pictured under the elt toggle. I've no idea what is is or how. But I do knoe it will drive it clockwise and counter.
takair Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 Slave makes the electric HSI slave to the magnetometer. Free makes it behave like an unslaved directional gyro DG).The slew allows you to set the DG when in free mode. Not used in slaved mode. You will usually fly in slaved mode and not have to worry about setting the compass card….if everything works.
NickG Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 Just dropped my Ovation for its annual. Flew to Phoenix from Las Vegas so I could get it done at a MSC. 1
N201MKTurbo Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 38 minutes ago, NickG said: Just dropped my Ovation for its annual. Flew to Phoenix from Las Vegas so I could get it done at a MSC. Say hi to Frank.
natdm Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 5 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said: Say hi to Frank. Is he still there?
N201MKTurbo Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 4 hours ago, natdm said: Is he still there? AFAIK. Who else would run it? Although he is an MSC, his heart is with Comanches
natdm Posted Tuesday at 02:20 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 02:20 PM 55 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: AFAIK. Who else would run it? Although he is an MSC, his heart is with Comanches Well, seeing as how we were both at his retirement party after he sold it... The new owners?
natdm Posted Tuesday at 02:22 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 02:22 PM 11 hours ago, NickG said: Flew to Phoenix from Las Vegas so I could get it done at a MSC. MSC's mean a lot less to me now than it did when I first got my plane. I no longer associate MSC with quality just because they're an MSC. I still like Eric at Oasis, I go to him for annual (and I'm in Phoenix).
NickG Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM 5 minutes ago, natdm said: That (MSC) means a lot less to me now than it did when I first got my plane. I no longer associate MSC with quality just because they're an MSC. There’s no one in Las Vegas that really knows Mooneys. Last year a local shop did my annual and missed some items.
natdm Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM Just now, NickG said: There’s no one in Las Vegas that really knows Mooneys. Last year a local shop did my annual and missed some items. I promise you, so will MSC's. 2
Yetti Posted Tuesday at 02:42 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 02:42 PM 12 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: I don't think those will work with his Bendix King KAP 150 Autopilot. Adding the AV-APA creates the path for the Bendix King and the STEC-30 A/Ps. The AV-30 manual has drawings showing the connection of the STEC-30. From the manual "The AV-APA analog output emulates the heading output of the Bendix King KI-525A HSI within the KCS-55A system" The STEC-30 needs the correct jumpers to make it accept the KING 525 inputs. 1
LANCECASPER Posted Tuesday at 03:16 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 03:16 PM 35 minutes ago, Yetti said: Adding the AV-APA creates the path for the Bendix King and the STEC-30 A/Ps. The AV-30 manual has drawings showing the connection of the STEC-30. From the manual "The AV-APA analog output emulates the heading output of the Bendix King KI-525A HSI within the KCS-55A system" The STEC-30 needs the correct jumpers to make it accept the KING 525 inputs. Good to know. I wasn't aware that their autopilot interface worked with the Bendix King KAP150. Their website says just S-Tec autopilots. https://uavionix.com/general-aviation/av-30/add-ons/av-apa/?srsltid=AfmBOooBuAXkcCKSef2VvkR4xFZOaJFv0GPMaTra4DDkhEoaPS1cl2o5 I can see where it might be able to provide heading with the jumpers, but I don't see where it would provide attitude.
Yetti Posted Tuesday at 03:20 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 03:20 PM Just now, LANCECASPER said: Good to know. I wasn't aware that their autopilot interface worked with Bendix King. Their website says just S-Tec autopilots. https://uavionix.com/general-aviation/av-30/add-ons/av-apa/?srsltid=AfmBOooBuAXkcCKSef2VvkR4xFZOaJFv0GPMaTra4DDkhEoaPS1cl2o5 Yep I am trying to avoid the Big G. So spent the weekend designing what I think should go in the S model. With G offering rebates it seems the market is slowing and there may be some price adjustment. There also seems to be a fair amount of Mooneys for sale.
SilentT Posted Tuesday at 04:36 PM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 04:36 PM 1 hour ago, Yetti said: Yep I am trying to avoid the Big G. So spent the weekend designing what I think should go in the S model. With G offering rebates it seems the market is slowing and there may be some price adjustment. There also seems to be a fair amount of Mooneys for sale. Aaaaaand I'm lost. But that's OK... More reason to research what the heck yall referring to.
dkkim73 Posted Tuesday at 04:55 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 04:55 PM 2 hours ago, natdm said: Well, seeing as how we were both at his retirement party after he sold it... The new owners? Wait, are we talking about Frank Setzler of Chandler Aviation? Is he still involved or not? He helped me with a few things around my purchase a couple years ago, figured he would be a good resource in the future.
natdm Posted Tuesday at 05:01 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 05:01 PM 5 minutes ago, dkkim73 said: Wait, are we talking about Frank Setzler of Chandler Aviation? Is he still involved or not? He helped me with a few things around my purchase a couple years ago, figured he would be a good resource in the future. Correct. He sold it and was consulting the last time I used them. I’ve stopped going though so I’m not sure if he’s still consulting or not. 1
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