Based on the G100UL fuel leak thread what's your position?

[MikeOH]

19 minutes ago, mluvara said:

The County asked for an extension to respond (which they have done every time they are supposed to respond), filed an appeal at the 11th hour and also filed a corrective action plan. We’ll see what comes of it.

Do you have a link to their 'corrective action plan'?

[mluvara]

2 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

Do you have a link to their 'corrective action plan'?

Nothing is published as far as I can tell. I think it's private between them and the FAA till at least it is agreed upon.

Below is the entire docket. The latest item is their appeal.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/FAA-2022-1385/document

Michael

[IvanP]

39 minutes ago, mluvara said:

The County asked for an extension to respond (which they have done every time they are supposed to respond), filed an appeal at the 11th hour and also filed a corrective action plan. We’ll see what comes of it.

Probably nothing meaningful. This is a ususal tactic to tie the matter up in various appeals and motions as long as possible even if the ultimate outcome will probably not be in their favor. County officials have virtually unlimited resources at their disposal (taxpayers money). 

[mluvara]

17 hours ago, IvanP said:

Probably nothing meaningful. This is a ususal tactic to tie the matter up in various appeals and motions as long as possible even if the ultimate outcome will probably not be in their favor. County officials have virtually unlimited resources at their disposal (taxpayers money). 

They used the same boiler plate language several times in this regard, even when they have one of the largest legal teams around for a County. During covid, they were ruthless.

 

 

[mluvara]

Eagle sent out an email update today mentioning there is an interactive toolkit on their website now showing detailed progress for VP's fuel, including materials, paint, engines tested to date, etc. Interesting to see the details on each.

 

 

[shawnd]

That's an amazing effort from Eagle to be transparent. Also has data that most of public don't have easy access to.

[gabez]

not mine but I did get one

https://www.customink.com/fundraising/i-will-not-put-g100ul-in-my-airplane?utm_campaign=desktop-post-launch-v3&utm_content=i-will-not-put-g100ul-in-my-airplane&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link

Edited July 19 by gabez

[shawnd]

I got two and shared!

[MikeOH]

46 minutes ago, gabez said:

not mine but I did get one

https://www.customink.com/fundraising/i-will-not-put-g100ul-in-my-airplane?utm_campaign=desktop-post-launch-v3&utm_content=i-will-not-put-g100ul-in-my-airplane&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link

Hmm, just in time for Osh!  Have a parade through the GAMI tent, perhaps?

[Jackk]

I’m not affluent enough to pay more for inferior fuel that will also cause damage I will then have to pay to fix, all to solve proven false claims from enviro crazies and fuel opportunists that they tried to tie to proven 100LL.

 

 I’ll tanker fuel into state if need be, thankfully I don’t think that will be a issue, at least where I fly 

Edited July 19 by Jackk

[redbaron1982]

GAMI now also wants us to believe that G100UL is not only good for your airplane, but also for your health. Look at G17 at https://g100ul.com/faq

This guys are hilarious.

Edited July 19 by redbaron1982

[IvanP]

Quoted from GAMI FAQ:

G12

Are there any known material compatibility issues in aircraft, engines, storage tanks or transportation systems?

 

After extensive testing, no compatibility issues have been identified in any aircraft, engines, storage tanks or transportation systems. G100UL avgas is a functional drop-in replacement for 100LL avgas, fully fungible with 100LL and other aviation gasolines, and ready to be used within the industry’s existing infrastructure.

 

This is just one of the many bold-faced lies GAMI spouts out.   

[mluvara]

Another update video. This one is a bit more technical, digging into some fuel history, and has updates on aircraft along with a new one in Mississippi.

 

 

[hazek]

5 hours ago, mluvara said:

Another update video.

Thank you for the time you put into this. It's a breath of fresh air how you're sticking to facts only and let us draw our own conclusions. Wish the world in general would be like this.

[Jackk]

6 hours ago, hazek said:

Thank you for the time you put into this. It's a breath of fresh air how you're sticking to facts only and let us draw our own conclusions. Wish the world in general would be like this.

Not sure how much more info is needed, this enviro fuel is a scam, it’s inferior and damages planes, as can be seen in tons of videos.  All in for most of the fleets fuel systems it’s ultimately flat out unsafe. 
 

The fuel was proven to damage everything from critical seals to paint not via some crazy lab tests or quantum level mathematics, but my simply putting standard aircraft parts in a friggin mason jar and watching with your own eyeballs.  It’s so blatant it asks questions beyond the fuel.
 

I think where this topic needs to evolve is to the players, who and why was it approved. I’d like to see where the money and influence went and what can be done to remedy this.

[MisfitSELF]

It may be discussed early but is there a path to get your money back if you purchased this STC but never "installed it"?

[mluvara]

I caught Scott Perdue's livestream today with Juan Browne. Interesting comment (admission?) noted.

"It has materials compatibility issues. That's real and needs to be addressed" - quoting Scott Perdue

Video starts at the part of the live interview I quoted (live video won't preview here)

https://www.youtube.com/live/g0082WHekIw?feature=shared&t=2995

[gabez]

On 7/21/2025 at 9:52 AM, MisfitSELF said:

It may be discussed early but is there a path to get your money back if you purchased this STC but never "installed it"?

from GAMI? they need every penny they can get right now LOL

[MikeOH]

I wonder how that million gallons GAMI brewed up is aging...it's got to be a couple of years old, now.  Maybe it mellows, like a fine wine, with age

[Jackk]

On 7/21/2025 at 12:52 PM, MisfitSELF said:

It may be discussed early but is there a path to get your money back if you purchased this STC but never "installed it"?

Maybe the CA Song-Beverly Act?

 

Civil Code Sections 1792–1795.7

 

Its for breech of implied warranties and fitness for it’s purpose, id say a “drop in fuel” that’s clearly now proven to damage aircraft would fit that bill

 

 

Edited July 23 by Jackk

[Jackk]

8 hours ago, MikeOH said:

I wonder how that million gallons GAMI brewed up is aging...it's got to be a couple of years old, now.  Maybe it mellows, like a fine wine, with age

Maybe the gami salesmen can wipe it all over their personal vehicles paint jobs and pour it in their own gas tanks to show how great it is

Edited July 23 by Jackk

[hazek]

11 hours ago, mluvara said:

I caught Scott Perdue's livestream today with Juan Browne. Interesting comment (admission?) noted.

Well that's encouraging from him to say. Because I was very disappointed by his videos on this topic so far and I let him know in the comments specifically referencing your work. He responded once quite dismissively.

[IvanP]

11 hours ago, Jackk said:

 

Maybe the CA Song-Beverly Act?

 

Civil Code Sections 1792–1795.7

 

Its for breech of implied warranties and fitness for it’s purpose, id say a “drop in fuel” that’s clearly now proven to damage aircraft would fit that bill

 

 

That may be something to consider here. Class action suit would appear to be something that is right out of GAMI's playbook since they are trying to use the courts to cram their brew down our collective throats.  Someone could give them taste of their own medicine. 

[MikeOH]

1 hour ago, IvanP said:

That may be something to consider here. Class action suit would appear to be something that is right out of GAMI's playbook since they are trying to use the courts to cram their brew down our collective throats.  Someone could give them taste of their own medicine. 

I wonder how many paid for STCs are out there, and how many of the purchasers are STILL using G100UL?  I'd think the ones that have quit using it would like to have their money back!

[EricJ]

14 hours ago, hazek said:

Well that's encouraging from him to say. Because I was very disappointed by his videos on this topic so far and I let him know in the comments specifically referencing your work. He responded once quite dismissively.

I lost some respect for him after all that.