Signature is evil

[PT20J]

 

1 minute ago, 201Steve said:

So what’s the short version? Did we win in court or not? 
 

way too much to read! 

No. And don’t for details. It’s all explained above if you care to read it.

[MikeOH]

3 minutes ago, 201Steve said:

So what’s the short version? Did we win in court or not? 
 

way too much to read! 

Sadly, no.  Signature's 4 point very fine print prevailed.

But, as PT20J says, you'll need to read everything to get all the, shall we say, nuances

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, OHAEDO said:

Perhaps you can come up later and share some empathy.  If there is some in there.

We all had a lot of empathy when we saw what happened back in 2019 and felt badly for you and your new airplane.

It stopped for me the moment you said last week that we were too lowly and mindless to be in the same forum as a god-like one such as you.

Best wishes in your future endeavors.

 

[MikeOH]

5 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

It stopped for me the moment you said last week that we were too lowly and mindless to be in the same forum as you.

 

@LANCECASPER

Really?  I must have missed where he said 'we were too lowly and mindless'. Can you point to that post, please?

[LANCECASPER]

He's since erased it this evening,  but here it is:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vacuous

[MikeOH]

Ah, I see, where he defended himself against a bunch of, IMHO, unwarranted criticism equals your claim that he said, "we were too lowly and mindless".  Which he did NOT; not even close.  But you were classy and ran him into the ground over his spelling error. Got it.

[LANCECASPER]

43 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

But you were classy and ran him into the ground over his spelling error. Got it.

When a person is using a $3 word to say that your friends on the forum lack intelligence (mindless), are inane, stupid and the person can't even spell that word, c'mon you can't let that go . . lol. Ok, at least I can't.

The lowly part is when he said we were just piston folks, which of course could never compare to turbine folks like him.

[PT20J]

I'm still stuck on what broke and how it was due to towing if it didn't break the stops or dent the tubes. If something sheared up higher I wonder if whatever broke was defective. New airplane. Maybe a hairline crack in a weld let loose after a few landings. When I ordered a replacement gear leg from Mooney a year ago I had to reject the first one due to pinholes in welds that were leaking oil from inside the tubes. Were there ever any pictures of the damage posted? I don't recall seeing any, but may have missed them.

[midlifeflyer]

8 hours ago, PT20J said:

I'm still stuck on what broke and how it was due to towing if it didn't break the stops or dent the tubes. If something sheared up higher I wonder if whatever broke was defective. New airplane. Maybe a hairline crack in a weld let loose after a few landings. When I ordered a replacement gear leg from Mooney a year ago I had to reject the first one due to pinholes in welds that were leaking oil from inside the tubes. Were there ever any pictures of the damage posted? I don't recall seeing any, but may have missed them.

You mean, like there might be two sides to the story and, unlike the judge (I didn’t see mention of a jury), we’ve only been hearing one? 
 

Right? Wrong? Failure of evidence? Difficult gross negligence standard? Contractual limitations? I dunno. The only thing I questioned was the decision not to accept a settlement offer that covered the damage, and I’m satisfied with the explanation. I don’t even know enough to say whether I would have advised otherwise.

 

[PT20J]

I just want to be clear: I am not commenting in any way on @OHAEDO's unfortunate circumstances. He suffered an expensive loss and chose a particular course of action for which he explained his motivation. It didn't work out in his favor and he has publicly accepted the fact and moved on. 

What interests me is to understand if there is a towing damage failure mode singularly unlike all the other failures that have been reported over the years.

[GeeBee]

On 6/2/2024 at 10:41 AM, Pinecone said:

Ethics has nothing to do with it.

There job is to service their customers.  One way they do this it to try not to pay any claims from others.  But then to pay claims from their customers promptly.  And to collect for those claims from others if possible.

They are a BUSINESS.

Business Ethics is a standard course offered and required both at the undergraduate and in MBA programs. If you want to see what happens when a business loses its way ethically look at Boeing. It largely started during the USAF tanker competition when their CFO was bribing AF officials for information on Northrop’s data, extended with the 737 Max debacle and has culminated with the door blow out. All of it can be traced back to management’s lack of ethics in pursuit of profit.

Ultimately their lack of ethics have failed the people thy were supposed to protect. Their shareholders, their customers (ask Southwest why they can’t fly their planned schedule) and the innocent souls who boarded their airplanes. Trust is only earned by the ethical. Right now no one trusts Boeing.

[mike_elliott]

On 6/1/2024 at 12:13 PM, Fritz1 said:

ah, learn't a new word today, waiver of subrogation, sounds heavy, will check my hangar lease and my insurance policy

A word that should be known by all aviators, especially cfi's. don't fly off without it. This isn't your father's car insurance company

[dkkim73]

On 6/6/2024 at 11:56 AM, GeeBee said:

All of it can be traced back to management’s lack of ethics in pursuit of profit.

Ultimately their lack of ethics have failed the people thy were supposed to protect. Their shareholders, their customers (ask Southwest why they can’t fly their planned schedule) and the innocent souls who boarded their airplanes. Trust is only earned by the ethical. Right now no one trusts Boeing.

I agree. Based on vignettes, and observations of how corporate culture has evolved elsewhere, it sounds like there also was a disconnected managerial class with some cult-like thinking. E.g. the kind of people who tell each other how smart they are and pay each other bonuses*, while ignoring the engineers. And it sounds like they were downright harassing the objecting engineering voices. 

Who'd have thunk Boeing would ever have such a tarnished reputation. 

* the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone

[GeeBee]

I've seen many aviation operations, in particular airlines chew up managers who failed to grasp the necessity for implicit trust which is gained only by ethical conduct. They think managing is an art transferable to any industry. Which brings me to the famous Captain Robert Buck answer from a reporter who asked, "Captain Buck what is the greatest threat to aviation safety". Captain Buck replied, "The Harvard MBA".