Certificate required to fly FAA or TOC registered aircraft?

[Ibra]

Not Mooney specific question but looking for some wisdom here, maybe from those who fly in US or Canada, from looking at the FAR it seems:

1) Fly N-reg in Canada using TOC papers (FAR seems ok, anything from TOC?)

2) Fly N-reg in US using TOC papers, will TOC certificate need validation by FAA?

3) Fly C-reg in US using FAA papers (FAR seems ok, anything from TOC?)

4) Fly C-reg in Canada using FAA papers, will FAA certificate need validation by TOC?

For 2), it seems that FAA61.75 that is foreign based does the job (it’s valid worldwide) what about 4), has anyone got their FAA private validated to fly C-reg in Canada? is it valid worldwide?

I am talking about private flying where ICAO recommends automatic validation (no commercial or airliners operator flying) 

Edit: I changed “licence” to “certificate” (FAR calls it “pilot licence” when it’s not from FAA )

 

Anyone familiar with similar regs in Canada? 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Ibra

[mike_elliott]

Peter Rejto flew a N numbered Aircraft with a FAA license in Australia. He had to have FAA FR's and Annual inspections done. Peter mar still be on this board. I obtained a CASA license and instructor cert when in Australia, and it was a small knothole they pulled me thru

[Ibra]

11 hours ago, mike_elliott said:

I obtained a CASA license and instructor cert when in Australia, and it was a small knothole they pulled me thru

Thanks for the pirep, was that standalone papers (e.g. new CASA medical)? or temporary validation based on your FAA certs? 

I had a validation for flying in New Zeland, it's as easy as one can get on quick vacation and it was a fun trip (gliding in Omarama and flying C172 around), I have not had the chance to fly in Australia, I gather it's fun and unique !

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ibra

[mike_elliott]

It was standalone certs, but based on my FAA medical. Convincing CASA that a first class medical wasnt needed for instruction took knowing a guy who knows a guy. The CASA license was good for a year maybe 2 and cost me about $200 USD. CASA makes the FAA look like a well oiled efficiency machine

[Ibra]

1 hour ago, mike_elliott said:

CASA makes the FAA look like a well oiled efficiency machine

I will see what TOC will say on this, I am used to EASA and UKCAA, let's hope they are easy (UKCAA asks for certified copy of licences that are issued by them and if you are overseas you only choice is British consular service or getting hang on a foeign judge or doctor to sign, bizzarly, they do not accept dentists  )

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ibra

[A64Pilot]

I don’t know what a TOC is, but generally you can fly an N numbered airplane just about anywhere in the world, but often cannot fly a non N numbered airplane outside of the US. I had to be issued a Cayman Island license to fly their crop duster back to the US for an inspection for instance. 

[Pinecone]

My understanding is that, in most cases, your certificate needs to match the aircraft registration country.

So N number needs an FAA certificate.   I almost got to ferry some AN-2s from Lithuania to US.  I would have gotten a Lithuanian certificate to do so.

[Ibra]

38 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

My understanding is that, in most cases, your certificate needs to match the aircraft registration country.

Yes that’s the usual case and I expect it this to be strict law on commercial flights (airliners, cropdusting and maybe instruction and ferry)

Some countries seems to accept alternatives on their aircraft or their airspace on any papers, especially on “private small/vintage aircraft”, some have validations or mutual agreement (e.g. some foreign aircraft in exotic destinations can be flown with FAA papers worldwide, there is no runway and no flying school in Andorra or San Morino , EASA countries allow to fly EASA registrations)

Another edge case is that some countries insist that their citizens or residents have to fly certain aircraft on domestic papers when in domestic trips, as they invoke ICAO Art32, someone residing in UK & France can’t fly some N tails on FAA papers alone, he needs to hold DGAC & CAA papers while in domestic trips, myself included, however FAA certificates for US visitors are accepted), sounds odd but it’s like car driving licence rules for residents vs tourists !

I am more curious on flying Canada registered aircraft in Canada & US?

42 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

I don’t know what a TOC is

Sorry, ToC is Transport Canada (they are like their FAA)

Yes N tail can be flown with FAA certificate worldwide, 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ibra