Seatbelt shoulder harness downgrade

[philip_g]

We have the inertial reel shoulder belts in our j. The real is right by my head. In an off airport landing it's going to injure someone. Does anyone sell replacement shoulder belts like the factory belts that are fixed in place?

Edited October 6, 2021 by philip_g

[PT20J]

I'd call these guys: https://aircraftbelts.com/products/three-point/

[Guest]

7 hours ago, philip_g said:

We have the inertial reel shoulder belts in our j. The real is right by my head. In an off airport landing it's going to injure someone. Does anyone sell replacement shoulder belts like the factory belts that are fixed in place?

Alpha Aviation sells both fixed and reel style belts.

Clarence

[flyboy0681]

4 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Alpha Aviation sells both fixed and reel style belts.

Clarence

Sounds like he already has the Alpha units based on his description. The J's that came out of the factory with inertial reels have them in the floor.

[bmcconnaha]

17 hours ago, philip_g said:

We have the inertial reel shoulder belts in our j. The real is right by my head. In an off airport landing it's going to injure someone. Does anyone sell replacement shoulder belts like the factory belts that are fixed in place?

that was my main concern.  if i could get them on the floor, i would.  until then, ill stay fixed.  

[PT20J]

 

11 minutes ago, bmcconnaha said:

that was my main concern.  if i could get them on the floor, i would.  until then, ill stay fixed.  

My 1994 M20J came with floor mounted  inertia reels. They are Amsafe units. I actually prefer the fixed shoulder harnesses because I can stow them except during takeoff and landing. 

Skip

 

[philip_g]

1 hour ago, bmcconnaha said:

that was my main concern.  if i could get them on the floor, i would.  until then, ill stay fixed.  

the crux of the issue is my co-owner is short and I'm not, so he needs the pedal extensions and I don't. He can't fly without them and it's just uncomfortable for me so I have to fly with the seat full aft. Oh, and if I whack my shoulder one more fing time on the pax side one getting out of the plane I might lose it.

Edited October 6, 2021 by philip_g

[bmcconnaha]

2 minutes ago, philip_g said:

the crux of the issue is my co-owner is short and I'm not, so he needs the pedal extensions and I don't. He can't fly without them and it's just uncomfortable for me so I have to fly with the seat full aft. Oh, and if I whack my shoulder one more fing time on the pax side one getting out of the plane I might lose it.

Man i was so close to getting them, and between the out of place loop and worried about hitting them getting in and out ob the px side.... this just reaffirms for me...

[flyboy0681]

3 minutes ago, philip_g said:

the crux of the issue is my co-owner is short and I'm not, so he needs the pedal extensions and I don't. He can't fly without them and it's just uncomfortable for me so I have to fly with the seat full aft. Oh, and if I whack my shoulder one more fing time on the pax side one getting out of the plane I might lose it.

I'm short and sit with the seat all the way up. With the original equipment the shoulder belt would dig into my neck and I couldn't reach down to switch the tanks when it was snug. That prompted me to get the Alpha belts, which worked out great because I can move around freely.

But I agree that the reel on the passenger side sticks out way too far and is a nuisance.

[philip_g]

1 minute ago, bmcconnaha said:

Man i was so close to getting them, and between the out of place loop and worried about hitting them getting in and out ob the px side.... this just reaffirms for me...

no they're great. you'll love them. tell you what, I'll be a pal and send you these in exchange for your fixed belts?

[philip_g]

2 minutes ago, flyboy0681 said:

I'm short and sit with the seat all the way up. With the original equipment the shoulder belt would dig into my neck and I couldn't reach down to switch the tanks when it was snug. That prompted me to get the Alpha belts, which worked out great because I can move around freely.

as often as the reel gets twisted up on the shoulder mounted belts, I'd worry about having them jam up and being unable to fix it from the seat.

[EricJ]

Weird.   I love mine.   No issues with the reel on either side.   

[bmcconnaha]

2 minutes ago, philip_g said:

as often as the reel gets twisted up on the shoulder mounted belts, I'd worry about having them jam up and being unable to fix it from the seat.

i will tell you ive snapped my thumb in the fixed belt latch a few times when its cold.... that sucks!!! lol

[philip_g]

4 minutes ago, bmcconnaha said:

i will tell you ive snapped my thumb in the fixed belt latch a few times when its cold.... that sucks!!! lol

I never used to use the clip. Just let them hang.

[bmcconnaha]

16 minutes ago, philip_g said:

I never used to use the clip. Just let them hang.

im talking about the lapbelt latch 

[philip_g]

20 minutes ago, bmcconnaha said:

im talking about the lapbelt latch 

Ohhh yeah done that 

[chrisk]

I have the inertial reels.  I love them. 

[M20F-1968]

On 10/5/2021 at 10:25 PM, philip_g said:

We have the inertial reel shoulder belts in our j. The real is right by my head. In an off airport landing it's going to injure someone. Does anyone sell replacement shoulder belts like the factory belts that are fixed in place?

I likely have a set that you can use.  Sounds like you have a suitable fixed attachment point for the shoulder belt.

John Breda

[philip_g]

8 hours ago, M20F-1968 said:

I likely have a set that you can use.  Sounds like you have a suitable fixed attachment point for the shoulder belt.

John Breda

As far as I know the factory belts just unbolt and the inertial reels just bolt to the same attachment. I never really thought about seatbelts in the previous two k models I had 

 

Id definitely be interested

[skydvrboy]

I know this comment is a bit late, but Hooker Harness also sells both the fixed and inertia reel seat belt/shoulder strap combo for a lot less than Alpha Aviation.

[M20F-1968]

2 hours ago, philip_g said:

As far as I know the factory belts just unbolt and the inertial reels just bolt to the same attachment. I never really thought about seatbelts in the previous two k models I had 

 

Id definitely be interested

The factory seatbelts I have came from an Ovation.  The retraction assembly is welded to the steel cage near the floor.  I did this welding when I had the airplane apart and was doing my rebuild.  Installing the Ovation "factory seatbelts" is not trivial.  The inertia reels do not simply attach in the same way as the fixed belts would.

John Breda