LED Replacement for Whelen Model #70303 Light

[Tommooney]

On 4/20/2023 at 1:28 PM, Airways said:

So no need to remove the strobes in order to get the recog light out ? Just the lens cover ?

I found removing strobe / nav light made it very easy on my Ovation.  Great improvement!

Good luck

Tom

[Airways]

On 5/2/2023 at 11:59 PM, Tommooney said:

I found removing strobe / nav light made it very easy on my Ovation.  Great improvement!

Good luck

Tom

Agreed. I couldn’t do it without removing the Nav/strobe combo. 

[OSUAV8TER]

I will have more of these 28V LED recognition lights in stock on Tuesday, May 9th. So if you have ordered (I have a few backorders) or order between now and then, that is when I anticipate being able to ship them. After that I should be able to maintain inventory as these have been very popular. Thank you all for the support and I am really happy that these are solving a good problem to solve.

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/WAT-Mooney-28V-Recognition-Light_p_337.html <-- 28V LED Recog Light Link

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/WAT-Mooney-14V-Recognition-Light_p_140.html <-- 14V LED Recog Light Link

[OSUAV8TER]

These are back in stock and should be for the foreseeable future. 

[rbp]

@OSUAV8TER just curoius what wheelan is going to do once the fleet is saturated with 10,000 hour LEDs? 

[OSUAV8TER]

Just now, rbp said:

@OSUAV8TER just curoius what wheelan is going to do once the fleet is saturated with 10,000 hour LEDs? 

Probably sell you new ones! So I keep my Bonanza at Clermont County, which is home of Sportys Pilot Shop. They have a a thriving flight school with some first generation Whelen Parmetheus landing and taxi lights. Those lights have over 10,000 hours on them and they are continuously used. I wouldn't worry too much! 

[rbp]

18 minutes ago, OSUAV8TER said:

Probably sell you new ones! So I keep my Bonanza at Clermont County, which is home of Sportys Pilot Shop. They have a a thriving flight school with some first generation Whelen Parmetheus landing and taxi lights. Those lights have over 10,000 hours on them and they are continuously used. I wouldn't worry too much! 

let me try again --

halogen and incandescent lamps burn out

LEDs have upwards of 10,000 (or more!) hour lifetime -- more hours than the TTAF many of our planes will. ever see

at some point in time (5 years?) enough airplanes in the Mooney fleet will have been converted to LEDs that the number of LED replacements being sold annually will decline to the point where it will no longer make sense to produce them and the new old stock units will have all been sold

[Pinecone]

LEDs are good for us, but could be a long term bad thing for the lighting companies.

But still a lot of planes out there with old lights though.   Should be one less as my LED nav/strobe/beacon/recog light should be installed by now.

[OSUAV8TER]

There are ALOT of airplanes that need new lights so let's talk in 10 years  

Whelen continues to develop and create innovate products so the industry will change as the market evolves.

[RoundTwo]

50 minutes ago, rbp said:

let me try again --

halogen and incandescent lamps burn out

LEDs have upwards of 10,000 (or more!) hour lifetime -- more hours than the TTAF many of our planes will. ever see

at some point in time (5 years?) enough airplanes in the Mooney fleet will have been converted to LEDs that the number of LED replacements being sold annually will decline to the point where it will no longer make sense to produce them and the new old stock units will have all been sold

I have to believe the companies that produce the products understand the impact future sales and have a plan in place to remain profitable. I think they’re looking to build brand loyalty around great products and continually strive to make improvements that will be enticing enough to upgrade to the new gizmo even though the last one you bought is only 5% used up. 

[rbp]

its fairly easy to see that if a halogen recog that lasts, lets say for example, 1000 hours is replaced in the market by an LED that lats 10,000 hours, that once the manufacturer sells LEDs to all the owners who are willing to upgrade working halogens, the number of LED bulbs sold per year will decline 90%. I would love to know what new features will be in 2025 LED recog. maybe built-in flash circuits? built-in go pro? Note I":M only talking about bulbs made specifically for Mooneys. not the entire Wheelan product line

[atpdave]

I want to thank James @OSUAV8TER for seeing this project through. The original halogen design was defective at best and it’s great that WAT, with James’ effort, developed this huge improvement for our benefit. Now to replace the wingtip lenses, melted by a previous owner, at $362 apiece (sigh…).

[Fly Boomer]

9 minutes ago, atpdave said:

I want to thank James @OSUAV8TER for seeing this project through. The original halogen design was defective at best and it’s great that WAT, with James’ effort, developed this huge improvement for our benefit. Now to replace the wingtip lenses, melted by a previous owner, at $362 apiece (sigh…).

Those halogen lamps were fine.  It is the lenses that are defective -- should be made of quartz or something.  

[kortopates]

Those halogen lamps were fine.  It is the lenses that are defective -- should be made of quartz or something.  

Nah, the lens where fine too, nice and light for our Mooney. Everyone just needed the LASAR pulser that weighs a couple ounces and went on recognition light breaker switch. In pulse mode they don’t get hot enough to melt the lenses plus the pulsing improves visibility of the lights coming in to land.

I was happy to see the LASAR Pulser still works great with the new WAT LED’s. So i won’t have to buy Whelens next generation of recog lights in a couple years with built-in pulser.

But LASAR stopped making there Pulser after they saturated the market decades ago.


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[Fly Boomer]

10 hours ago, kortopates said:

But LASAR stopped making there Pulser after they saturated the market decades ago.

MaxPulse or PreciseFlight?

[OSUAV8TER]

23 hours ago, atpdave said:

I want to thank James @OSUAV8TER for seeing this project through. The original halogen design was defective at best and it’s great that WAT, with James’ effort, developed this huge improvement for our benefit. Now to replace the wingtip lenses, melted by a previous owner, at $362 apiece (sigh…).

@atpdave thank you. Now onto saving the Bonanzas with Osborne tip tanks.

[kortopates]

MaxPulse or PreciseFlight?

Neither, LASAR made there own


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[Fly Boomer]

49 minutes ago, kortopates said:

Neither, LASAR made there own


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I thought you said they were no longer available?

[kortopates]

I thought you said they were no longer available?

correct, they are no longer available for at least a decade now. It was LASARs own unit.


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[Fly Boomer]

2 minutes ago, kortopates said:

correct, they are no longer available for at least a decade now. It was LASARs own unit.


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So I guess two alternatives would be MaxPulse or PreciseFlight?

[kortopates]

22 minutes ago, Fly Boomer said:

So I guess two alternatives would be MaxPulse or PreciseFlight?

I believe so. IMO though both are far too complicated and the Precise is too big to make for an easy install. I believe the Precise will support multiple circuits and the MaxPulse has lots of superfluous settings. But I would probably pursue the MaxPulse over the Precise simply because its smaller and I expect easier install except it has to go on the panel to give you different options.

[OSUAV8TER]

If you are looking for LED replacement lights for your wingtip recognition lights, I have an excellent inventory of them. You need to choose the LED replacement electrical voltage that corresponds with your ship's electrical voltage.

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/WAT-Mooney-28V-Recognition-Light_p_337.html <-- Link to 28V LED recognition light

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/WAT-Mooney-14V-Recognition-Light_p_140.html <-- Link to 14V LED recognition light

[OSUAV8TER]

Save your wingtip lenses with these LED recognition lights! I have an excellent inventory of the 14V and 28V lamps on the shelf, ready to ship.

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/WAT-Mooney-28V-Recognition-Light_p_337.html <-- Link to 28V LED recognition light

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/WAT-Mooney-14V-Recognition-Light_p_140.html <-- Link to 14V LED recognition light

[Pinecone]

On 5/11/2023 at 3:23 PM, kortopates said:

I believe so. IMO though both are far too complicated and the Precise is too big to make for an easy install. I believe the Precise will support multiple circuits and the MaxPulse has lots of superfluous settings. But I would probably pursue the MaxPulse over the Precise simply because its smaller and I expect easier install except it has to go on the panel to give you different options.

Whelen makes a pulser and James carries them.

It works like the Precise Flight Pulselight.  It has 4 circuits in two pairs.  It alternates the two pairs.  So A and B are on together then off alternating with C and D.

When the pulser is turned on, it pulses the lights, if their individual switches are OFF.  If you turn them ON, they come on steady.

So in my install, the recog lights are alternating with the landing light.  When landing at night, on final I turn ON the landing light switch and the landing light stops pulsing and stays ON.

Works great and is about half the price of the Precise Flight unit.

[Marc_B]

Depends on how complicated you want to make wigwag.  I went with the MaxPulse for simplicity and it's perfect for ease of install and cost.  I had it wired past the circuit breaker rocker switch, so I have the MaxPulse set on alternating mode and just use the rocker switch to turn on and off.  It makes the recog switch much more visible.  ~$300 for the MaxPulse, about 1-2 total hrs for install of recogs and MaxPulse = WIN in my book.

But check out @donkaye's video https://youtu.be/sw6ZScJkmmI

The Precise Flight is pretty darn slick (albeit heavier, more expensive, and needing another rocker switch on your panel).  I've heard from @Pinecone that the Whelen pulser is similar but a little cheaper (but still 3x the price of MaxPulse)...Terry, do you have the same lights wig wag'd as Don?

...although I'm kinda disappointed in Whelen that when they made a Mooney specific light they didn't research to see where the glare fence sits and make sure all of the LEDs were outside of this.  I've yet to see a WAT Mooney Recog light that didn't have the inboard 2 LEDs blocked by the wing.  Although no melted wingtip lens so it's STILL a welcomed addition to the WAT family of lights on my Mooney.  @OSUAV8TER I spoke with WAT at Osh this year and certainly would think that if they could put out a Version 2.0 that had the LEDs more outboard that would be a great move!  (I didn't get the impression from WAT this was a priority )