Garmin 430W support

[Seth]

Any rumors on how long Garmin 430W support will remain?  Forgot to ask at Oshkosh. 

I’m curious when the date will come when you can’t sent it in for the flat rate repair.  Hoping it still a few years out.

I've decided to keep my 430W for now as I just purchased an Aera 660 to replace my 560 with dedicated traffic pages and a much more useful everything.

Between that and upgrading my iPad in November, I don’t new to put more money in the panel today.  I feel used prices of 430W units will not drop terribly in the next few years.

Just curious the rumors and facts of the support timeline.

-Seth 

[ragedracer1977]

I have no idea, but I do know that if Garmin doesn't come up with something, they're going to lose out to Avidynes slide in replacements

[khedrei]

Its a mystery to me why they didn't make the 650 a slide in replacement.

Edited July 31, 2018 by khedrei

[jaylw314]

Just now, khedrei said:

Its a mystery to me why they didn't make the 650 a slide in replacement.

Because they are ***holes?

[EricJ]

2 hours ago, khedrei said:

Its a mystery to me why they didn't make the 650 a slide in replacement.

The obvious slightly cynical answer is that it benefits their dealer network to be able to do more installation work.   In theory, anyway.   They probably didn't count on Avidyne doing the obvious thing and making their upgrades plug-in compatible. 
 

[bradp]

It also has a different architecture and pinout.  I’m no EE but they probably could have kept it slide in with additional ports with newly featured  pin outs.  

[EricJ]

4 hours ago, bradp said:

It also has a different architecture and pinout.  I’m no EE but they probably could have kept it slide in with additional ports with newly featured  pin outs.  

The Avidyne also has additional ports that require new wiring to use in an existing 530 tray, but the rest of the stuff is pin-compatible.   So, yeah, Garmin could have made the new stuff slide-in, but elected not to.

 

[Seth]

Bump:  Anyone hear of any timeline?  Any rumors?  I plan to send mine 430W for the flate rate repair/refurbishment toward the end of the time period when it's possible (when the parts bins get low).  

Then, 2-3 years later, I'll trade in or sell the 430W as part of my upgrade to a 750 or current magic (or IFD - though I doubt is as I'm going more and more Garmin for the stack resale value at some point way down the line, or never).

Right now however, I'm not changing a thing.

Just curious if anyone has heard anything regarding the 430W service timeline - if we are a few years away still, that's great news.

 

-Seth

[MBDiagMan]

I have no idea about the timeline, but the current service program worked well for me.  My avionics shop pulled my 430W and sent it in for the flat rate repair.  After fighting with it for awhile, Garmin scrapped it and sent me an exchange unit.

[ArtVandelay]

They stop manufacturing the 430 a long time ago, just like they stop manufacturing the G500 since the TXi was introduced. When take the old G500 you trade in, it’s stored, and will be used years later (parts or as whole) for servicing an existing G500. Someday they will run out of parts because they don’t make them anymore, they already announced they can’t replace the 430 screens IIRC, when that happens they’ve reach the end of their service life and will be orphaned. Only G can estimate when that will happen.

[INA201]

It was nice getting 6k+ for my 430w when upgrading a few months ago.  I thought they would drop in value but still holding steady it seems from what I see.

[Marauder]

What did the 430 and 430W sell for new?


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[Seth]

On 8/11/2018 at 1:10 PM, teejayevans said:

They stop manufacturing the 430 a long time ago, just like they stop manufacturing the G500 since the TXi was introduced. When take the old G500 you trade in, it’s stored, and will be used years later (parts or as whole) for servicing an existing G500. Someday they will run out of parts because they don’t make them anymore, they already announced they can’t replace the 430 screens IIRC, when that happens they’ve reach the end of their service life and will be orphaned. Only G can estimate when that will happen.

Garmin announced they’d stop taking orders for new 430/530 W units in November 2011 and actually stopped in early 2012.

so it’s been 6-7 years now.  Originally went on sale in 1998.  

 

-Seth

[Bartman]

If I had a 430w I wouldn't worry too much...yet. But I'm glad  don't have to worry anymore. 

[Dave Morris]

If it's any datapoint, they still support my Apollo/UPS/Garmin GX-60 with flat rate repairs. And there must be 100,000 times as many 430W's out there as GX-60's. I think they will support the 430 for a long time.

[seaero]

We haven't heard any rumors but it's valid concern with the release and increasing popularity of the GTN 650. I am betting at least 2-3 more years of total support unless displays become a problem.  

[khedrei]

Would it not make sense that support will likely continue as people continue to upgrade their 430 units?  Isn't that how Garmin gets more units in their graveyard to salvage parts from?  I would think that anyone upgrading to an IFD-440 through any of those trade in trade up programs would have the old 430 units eventually make it back to Garmin as parts units?

Surely there is some type of system or arrangement going on between the competitors that we don't know about.

[Marauder]

Would it not make sense that support will likely continue as people continue to upgrade their 430 units?  Isn't that how Garmin gets more units in their graveyard to salvage parts from?  I would think that anyone upgrading to an IFD-440 through any of those trade in trade up programs would have the old 430 units eventually make it back to Garmin as parts units?
Surely there is some type of system or arrangement going on between the competitors that we don't know about.

Doesn’t typically work that way. Most companies will do a lifetime buy of parts they will need to support a product for what they will consider to be the expected lifetime of the product. This is done usually based on a calculation of annual failure rate and some other factors applied like MTBF. No respectable company runs an aftermarket support program hoping they will get back used parts to keep a product alive that they would like see die. On top of that, putting used components in on repairs, even if you run them through a bench test program, still has the higher likelihood of warranty period failure. Not to mention they probably have some RoHS issues to contend with in Europe.

The challenges of selling a successful product and having a bunch of Cheap Bast$&ds like is not willing to upgrade.




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