New Plane, updating avioncs.

[Northern Mooniac]

4 hours ago, FBCK said:

Kevin do yourself a favor and don't get the inspection done at the local MSC here.  They did mine, I even told them what to look for, came back 100%, tank reseal required, oxygen tank timed out requiring a new one, donuts out of spec, new ones required, 20k in the first year.  Read the form here on LOP operation, your new plane will thank you for doing so, I think you may have looked at my plane in the process of buying yours, I had it for sale awhile ago.

Mustang is doing the prebuy, cavalier is doing the annual shortly after if that helps.

[FBCK]

Fosters does my work and I have been very happy with them. Cavalier might be better now but they had a terrible reputation for years, I don't know if it's better but my pre purchase from them was a joke.  Mustang is well respected on the field, I don't know how much money experience they have, go in with a list, similar to what I mentioned before, and have them look at the tubular frame as well.  Good luck, hope it works out, the 231 is a great plane, just run the engine correctly and you will have years of enjoyment.

[Aerodon]

On 2017-01-21 at 9:04 AM, milotron said:

Try running without the Gamis first. I know on my K with the 252 upgrade it leans just fine with the stock injectors. 

Thats not a fair comparison - the earlier engines had a front to back induction system resulting in more fuel to the middle cylinders and the most to the rear cylinders to to 'spillover' from the continuous injectors.  100% demonstrable and repeatable.

The later engines have the spider intakes, which distribute air and fuel very evenly.  Do the gami test and see if you need fine tuning.

Continental engineers acknowledged after the fact that they spent millions developing the newer intake, and the results are very comparable to Gami's mod.  The thinking at the time was that you needed to balance the airflow to balance the fuel.  Gami was brilliant in recognizing that the airflow is pretty balanced already but the fuel was not.

 

Don

 

[StevenL757]

Kevin - two things...in case you don't have enough advice already:

* Tempest Iridium fine wire plugs

* Reiff TurboXP preheat system

No exceptions.  Trust me.  :-)

[milotron]

15 minutes ago, Aerodon said:

Thats not a fair comparison - the earlier engines had a front to back induction system resulting in more fuel to the middle cylinders and the most to the rear cylinders to to 'spillover' from the continuous injectors.  100% demonstrable and repeatable.

The later engines have the spider intakes, which distribute air and fuel very evenly.  Do the gami test and see if you need fine tuning.

Continental engineers acknowledged after the fact that they spent millions developing the newer intake, and the results are very comparable to Gami's mod.  The thinking at the time was that you needed to balance the airflow to balance the fuel.  Gami was brilliant in recognizing that the airflow is pretty balanced already but the fuel was not.

 

Don

 

Thanks for clarifying Don. I knew the LB, GB, etc engines had a different intake tubing arrangement, but assumed the fuel injector piping system was similar.

[FBCK]

Calgary, Alberta Canada

[FBCK]

Kevin did your prepurchase go well, are you know the proud owner?

[Northern Mooniac]

I am planning on the Reiff pre heater for sure! Turbo XP is what I asked for. I'll look into the wires.

Pre-Purchase went well, found a few issues. One major one was that the plane isn't actually legal for IFR because it only has one nav head. So i'm working on that.

Now thinking about a GTN 650 for my main radio, 430 for secondary, then a flight stream 210 with a gdl 88, and a Sirius XM portable for weather on my ipad.

[Bob_Belville]

5 minutes ago, Kevin Pare said:

I am planning on the Reiff pre heater for sure! Turbo XP is what I asked for. I'll look into the wires.

Pre-Purchase went well, found a few issues. One major one was that the plane isn't actually legal for IFR because it only has one nav head. So i'm working on that.

Now thinking about a GTN 650 for my main radio, 430 for secondary, then a flight stream 210 with a gdl 88, and a Sirius XM portable for weather on my ipad.

I have a FS 510 with the GTN 750 and GDL 88. It was under $1500., It  has data base concierge not on the older 210. Might be worth considering.

Flight Stream and Remote Capabilities

	Flight Stream 110	Flight Stream 210	Flight Stream 510
ADS-B Weather and Traffic	•	•	•
SXM Weather	•	•	•
SXM Audio Remote Control	•	•	•
Attitude Information		•	from G500/G600
Two-way Flight Plan Transfer		•	•
GTX 345, GDL 84/88 and GDL 69/A Compatible	•	•	•
Connext Voice and Text Control*		•	•
Database Concierge			•
GTN Series Compatible		•	•
GNS 430W/530W Compatible

[Northern Mooniac]

Only problem is that I can't use the 510 with my 430

[Bob_Belville]

25 minutes ago, Kevin Pare said:

Only problem is that I can't use the 510 with my 430

Well, you said you were getting a GTN 650. And, in the Garmin comparison above it appear neither FS works with the 430/530.

Edit: That may be wrong, it looks like the 210 is compatible. But I'm not sure that is of much consequence if you get the 650.

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/155337

 

[Northern Mooniac]

210 is the only one compatible with the 430.

 

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/153681#overview

 

[bradp]

Is there something in the Canadian regs that says IFR requires two navigation sources? 

[Marauder]

On 1/31/2017 at 8:47 PM, Kevin Pare said:

I am planning on the Reiff pre heater for sure! Turbo XP is what I asked for. I'll look into the wires.

Pre-Purchase went well, found a few issues. One major one was that the plane isn't actually legal for IFR because it only has one nav head. So i'm working on that.

Now thinking about a GTN 650 for my main radio, 430 for secondary, then a flight stream 210 with a gdl 88, and a Sirius XM portable for weather on my ipad.

You'll be happy with the Turbo XP version. I fly up to the Buffalo New York area in the winter a few times a year. The Turbo version will allow me to stick my portable generator under the tail, run a cord up to the Reiff and then go have breakfast. The non-turbo versions will work, just take longer. 

[Northern Mooniac]

Well, went to fly the plane yesterday, all looks good so i will hopefully have in home in a few weeks!

Changing my mind about avionics now.

Thinking of putting in a 2 or  3 screen aspen display, use the current king cdi for my backup, put in a second 430 with waas, and the flight stream 210. I'm just going to use the Sirus xm for weather on my ipad in canada for now. and keep my stratus for ads-b in the usa until I figure out my final config.

[StevenL757]

11 hours ago, Kevin Pare said:

Well, went to fly the plane yesterday, all looks good so i will hopefully have in home in a few weeks!

Changing my mind about avionics now.

Thinking of putting in a 2 or  3 screen aspen display, use the current king cdi for my backup, put in a second 430 with waas, and the flight stream 210. I'm just going to use the Sirus xm for weather on my ipad in canada for now. and keep my stratus for ads-b in the usa until I figure out my final config.

Kevin, if you're considering a 2 or 3 unit Aspen, and a GTN650, I'd seriously look at a G500 with a GAD43 or -43E.  You'll be looking about the same $$ for a 2 screen Aspen with EA100.  The 3-unit Aspen will run you considerably more for the same real estate the G500 gives you.

Glad you were able to fly yesterday, hope all is well.

Steve

[Marauder]

Well, went to fly the plane yesterday, all looks good so i will hopefully have in home in a few weeks!
Changing my mind about avionics now.
Thinking of putting in a 2 or  3 screen aspen display, use the current king cdi for my backup, put in a second 430 with waas, and the flight stream 210. I'm just going to use the Sirus xm for weather on my ipad in canada for now. and keep my stratus for ads-b in the usa until I figure out my final config.

Kevin, if you're considering a 2 or 3 unit Aspen, and a GTN650, I'd seriously look at a G500 with a GAD43 or -43E.  You'll be looking about the same $$ for a 2 screen Aspen with EA100.  The 3-unit Aspen will run you considerably more for the same real estate the G500 gives you.
Glad you were able to fly yesterday, hope all is well.
Steve

Kevin - check Steven's math. Aspen is running a promo that will give a fully loaded Aspen 3 screen for less than a Garmin G500 with a GAD-43. It will come with unlock codes for all accessories, have the external battery that allows you to remove the ASI and altimeter (the G500 battery is an expensive option), an angle of attack indicator and synthetic vision.


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[Northern Mooniac]

My plan right now is to try and grab that 530w thats forsale on here, put the 430 as my secondary. put in a jpi 830 (upgrade the 700) and add in a flightstream 210.

i'm also going to grab the portable sirus xm for weather for now too. I'll figure out the rest after oshkosh and see what is going to change.

[milotron]

On 2/8/2017 at 6:01 AM, bradp said:

Is there something in the Canadian regs that says IFR requires two navigation sources? 

I was curious abut this statement too...

I have a single 430W and a KX165 and am IFR legal to my knowledge.  I know the GNS430W may need additional annunciators in the pilot's field of view to be legal; maybe this is the issue?

 

Read the controller listing. It looks like the second Nav/com doesn't have an indicator, unless it is also slaved the the HSI and switchable.

Edited February 12, 2017 by milotron
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