Route Suggestions?

[jlunseth]

I have an Angel Flight coming up Nov. 12 from Palwaukee (KPWK) to Muncie, IN (KMIE). I plan to file IFR because of the complexity of the airspace.   I do not want to overfly the Lake with an Angel Flight passenger on board, out of gliding distance of shore.  My thought is to file direct, but to put that in the comments (something like "Unable to overly Lake out of gliding distance, Angel Flight passenger on board).  Does anyone know the area, and what I am likely to have assigned?  I have flown south around Chicago on the MAPPS-ECHO-KELSIE-EON route a few times, but never north and never needing to either traverse the city, or fly wide around it.  Ideally, a course over the Lake but close to shore would do it, but I don't see any waypoints that would allow that.  If they gave me vectors and kept me under the Bravo until clear, that would work also, provided the vectors stay close to shore.  Any thoughts on what to do?

[Hank]

You could put "Angel Flight, no overwater" and see what you get.

[Mooneymite]

I have no first hand experience with such a request, but knowing something about ORD, I would suspect you'll get a nice tour of the west side of the Chicago metro area if you don't want to fly over the water....

 

Would you consider VFR sneaking along under the class B until clear of the metro area?  Fltplan.com allows you to designate a "pick-up point".  You could use that to begin the IFR portion.

[1964-M20E]

From what I understand about Angel flight they require you to file IFR on the active leg of the flight.

[jnisley]

From what I understand about Angel flight they require you to file IFR on the active leg of the flight.

That's correct.

[Marauder]

Try this;

[Marauder]

What it looks like on a VFR chart:

What happens a lot if you file directly over the city, you get it. The approach traffic is usually line up with the approach patterns to the airport, not the city itself. If you are high enough, you won't be a problem.

[Danb]

The way Chris depicts is what you should file for,generally when you put angel flight in the remarks section they usually are quite happy to work with you do to the cause, I have had the controllers thank me for the service and most are very complying. Even though depending on the angel flight region they don't want you to file as angel flight N12345. But I do when I have passengers and it may be a reason for preferred treatment, just my experience with Angel Flight East....good for you for utilizing your plane to benefit others..I give you a huge thank you and have a safe flight....

[Dave Marten]

Haven't flown out of Chicago Exec, but the above flight plan is a mostly a good route. Its almost the MONKZ2 departure with the ELANR transition. I'd expect that departure. Better yet file it. KPWK MONKZ2.ELANR KMIE. As always the standard disclaimer applies: be ready for vectors to get you out of the way of faster traffic. You'll most likely be held down at 3000' initially so enjoy the scenic view!

 

Also, this route takes you through the Twelve Mile/Hill Top MOA complex. If it happens to be active at your altitude you'll get routing around, but I'd file through it and let ATC reroute if the MOA is 'hot'. 

 

Once south of Chicago chances are you'll be able to ask for 'direct destination'

 

Thanks for supporting Angel Flight!

[Danb]

Jl..based on where Ohare is landing you most likely will get, with a direct to when your altitude and there traffic allows..Kmie Bvt v7 Lucit V 38 Medan Deana Kpwk. Which initially keeps you away from the biggies if you have loss of radio etc..lately I have been getting crazy routing like a bunch of fixes only in our area once you get to say Padre then direct...I don't even load in the complete flight plan anymore knowing it's very temporary...I like as stated Chris's but you'll get a bunch more writing to do...keep the passengers comfy.music works..

[Danb]

Totally agree with Dave

[Mooneymite]

Let us know what you get and what time of day.

[yvesg]

Chicago too busy for small airplanes? Who wants to bet a four seater could land at ORD?

Watch this:

Yves

[Danb]

I wonder what the fees were

[Bob - S50]

From what I understand about Angel flight they require you to file IFR on the active leg of the flight.

It must depend on the region.  In the West region we are not required to file IFR.  If we were, many of the pilots would not be able to fly because they are not instrument rated.  They do ..encourage.. us to file either an IFR or VFR flight plan.

 

Bob

[jlunseth]

I thought about the "VFR sneak," but when I looked yesterday there were two big red circles (TFR's) one at each end.  IFR is not required.  The handbook says IFR or VFR Flight Following, so that would be possible but with red circles popping up and down like popcorn at the moment, probably not advisable.  It will be after the election, so it might be better, but I just generally go IFR anyway, especially around a major metropolitan area, to avoid those kinds of issues.

 

Side story, but when I took my instrument checkride years ago it was at Anoka (KANE) in the northern metro, and I am based at KFCM in the southern metro.  In between is Crystal (KMIC).  When I finished, I elected to flyback "outside" the crystal airspace, viz. to the west where the Bravo circles are fairly high and their are more open areas just in case.  Someone else took off from KANE for KFCM right after me.  About half way home I heard over the radio N1234Q you have violated the stadium TFR, say when ready to copy the phone number to call on landing."  It was the first year of the new Twins stadium, and one of the first times the TFR was up, so local pilots were not used to it.  Not me thankfully, I had taken the conservative route.  I felt badly for the pilot in N1234Q. 

 

So I file IFR around metros, I have no idea when a local team is in town and playing, and thus the TFR is up.  I find them only sporadically reported to FSS also.

 

Thanks for the suggestions, I probably would not have tried a route pretty much right over O'Hare, but if they will let me I will give it a go.

 

Everyone here should be an Angel Flight pilot.

[PeytonM]

I recommend a call to Approach or FSS on a landline and get their input on routing.

[kortopates]

From what I understand about Angel flight they require you to file IFR on the active leg of the flight.

 

 

That's correct.

 

That would have to be local chapter requirement. Angel Flight West, that I am a member of us, has many VFR only pilots. So it can't be a national requirement, if such a thing exist. AFW requires 250 hrs total, 75 x-county and 25 in type and 50 PIC in the last 12 months or a flight review/wings completion in the last 3 months. Really very little experience is required to donate your plane time flying for them. 

[jnisley]

I wasn't aware but it apparently does vary from chapter to chapter, here are the requirements for Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic pilots.

"Minimum Pilot in Command (PIC) Qualifications

• For the operation of any single engine piston aircraft the pilot shall have a minimum total time of 500 hours with no less than 400 hours as Pilot in Command (PIC). Minimum of 50 hours in make and model.

• For the operation of any multi engine aircraft the pilot shall have a minimum total time of 1,000 hours as Pilot in Command (PIC). Minimum of 250 hours in multi engine and a minimum of 50 hours in make and model.

• For the operation of any turbine powered aircraft the pilot shall have a minimum total time of 1,000 hours as Pilot in Command (PIC). Minimum of 100 hours turbine and a minimum of 50 hours make and model.

• Minimum of 50 hours as PIC shall have been flown and logged within the 12 months immediately preceding the flight.

• Minimum of 12 hours flown and logged during the previous 90 days. * This requirement can be waived if the pilot completes 2 hours of dual training with a certificated flight instructor prior to flying an angel flight.• Pilot shall have a currently valid medical certificate, a current Flight Review, and an instrument rating applicable to the aircraft to be flown by said pilot, and shall be current with applicable flight times and rules as set forth in the FARs.

• Minimum of one million dollars ($1,000,000) liability insurance with not less than $100,000 per seat shall be in force on any aircraft to be used for angel flights.

• Aircraft must be properly registered, licensed, airworthy, and we recommend that the engine time since new or last overhaul be less than the manufacturer’s recommended Time Between Overhaul (TBO).

• No pilot of 75 years of age or older shall be permitted to fly an angel flight. * This requirement can be waived with approval of the VPO’s Safety Council."

[jnisley]

I always thought Angel Flight Mid Atlantic requires an instrument flight plan to be filed for the active leg, according to their guidelines they only recommend it.

"We recommend that an instrument flight plan be filled on all client legs regardless of weather conditions. This allows for increased flight following by the FAA."

[jlunseth]

I am a volunteer with Angel Flight Central.  Here is what their book says about flight plans:

 

 

File a flight plan;

 

either IFR or VFR flight following. In the remarks section of the flight plan identify the leg with the passenger on board as the charitable flight.

[jlunseth]

I flew the mission yesterday. I took the advice to file for the MONKZ2.ELANR departure and got most of it. I was given, from KPWK, the routing MONKZ EARND ELANR , which is most of the departure procedure. Then I was vectored directly over O'Hare, missing MONKZ. The vector took us east of Midway and we then got direct to EARND and then direct to our destination (KUNI) before we got to ELANR. Weather was cold and cloudy, but we were under the overcast until south of Chacago. It all worked out. To get the patient home before dark I asked, and the 2d leg pilot agreed, to let me fly the first and second leg in one jump. The best part of that was that we overflew the areas of worst icing conditions in northern IL and central OH. The third leg pilot got her home yesterday afternoon.

[carusoam]

Any pictures, JL?

Nice job,

-a-

[jlunseth]

No pictures, sorry. I brought a camera but it was an extremely time-packed trip. There was weather and icing potential over the entire route, an IMC climb out and an instrument approach at every airport, and of course the delightful 70 year old retired high school principal to talk to. So I was working pretty hard the whole trip. I will try do better next time.

[Dave Marten]

Nice work. Thanks for supporting Angel Flight.