Mooney Auction 1966M20F

[Buffaloairfield]

June 7th at 1 pm 1966 Mooney M20 F to be sold at sheriffs auction at Buffalo Airfield, 4500 Clinton St. West Seneca, NY . For more information go to buffaloairfield.com please refer all questions to Lindsayaviation@gmail.com

[Marauder]

June 7th at 1 pm 1966 Mooney M20 F to be sold at sheriffs auction at Buffalo Airfield, 4500 Clinton St. West Seneca, NY . For more information go to buffaloairfield.com please refer all questions to Lindsayaviation@gmail.com

 

Are you one of the principles at 9G0? If so, I'm trying to find out if you are open for business. I tried calling several times and no one returned my calls (716) 668-4900 -- same number when Bob owned it right? Have a trip planned up in early June and want to know if you are open and have fuel.

 

As for the Mooney -- any pictures or specs to show us?

[Seth]

http://www.buffaloairfield.com/auction.html

 

Looking at pictures, aircraft is . . . N9526M

 

If it is a 1966 M20F, then that means it was one of four made that year, as the F started in 1967 but four were produced in 1966.  My former F was one of them.  I know there's another 1966 F on Mooneyspace, so this is #3.  It could have been one of the factory demonstrators or test vehicles for the change.

 

I note in the picture it has the older radio antennas (like mine) that bend to trail as opposed to the vertical stake of the current design.

 

Any more info on this bird for whoever may want to get it at auction?

 

Again, from the pics looks like original cowl (no mod) and a one piece wrap around F windshield (not 201 but yes to the 1 piece mod on the F windshield).

 

 

No GPS

 

Marauder's post below has the equipment list from what looks like is in the picture.

 

-Seth

[Marauder]

Looks like it has a King KX-175 in the #2 spot, a Narco 50 transponder under the co-pilot's panel, a KR-85 ADF, an Arnav LORAN-C, a Sigtronic PA-400 intercom and a Brittian AP (I think that is what is on the center stack up high).

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[DaV8or]

http://www.buffaloairfield.com/auction.html

 

Looking at pictures, aircraft is . . . N9526M

 

If it is a 1966 M20F, then that means it was one of four made that year, as the F started in 1967 but four were produced in 1966.  My former F was one of them.  I know there's another 1966 F on Mooneyspace, so this is #3.  It could have been one of the factory demonstrators or test vehicles for the change.

 

 

It's not a '66. Neither was the one you owned. Both yours and this one are '67 models that were manufactured during 1966. There were hundreds of '67 Fs built in 1966. Yours was 144th one off the line that year. The only 1966 Fs built were serial numbers 66-0001, 66-0002, 66-0003 and 66-0004. Mine is 66-0004. The next F down the line after mine was officially a 1967 and had a serial number of 67-0001.

 

Interestingly, there is some difference between '66 serial numbers 0001, 0002 and 0003 and 0004. Numbers 3 and 4 use the same service manual and POH as the '67s and serial numbers 1 and 2 I guess have there own manuals, but I suspect that 1 and 2 may never have made into customer hands. I really have no idea what the differences would have been. Ever since I got mine, I have been on the look out fro another '66 and haven't found one yet. I suspect mine is the last one, but you never know, one might turn up in an old hangar, or over seas somewhere.

[Marauder]

It's not a '66. Neither was the one you owned. Both yours and this one are '67 models that were manufactured during 1966. There were hundreds of '67 Fs built in 1966. Yours was 144th one off the line that year. The only 1966 Fs built were serial numbers 66-0001, 66-0002, 66-0003 and 66-0004. Mine is 66-0004. The next F down the line after mine was officially a 1967 and had a serial number of 67-0001.

 

Interestingly, there is some difference between '66 serial numbers 0001, 0002 and 0003 and 0004. Numbers 3 and 4 use the same service manual and POH as the '67s and serial numbers 1 and 2 I guess have there own manuals, but I suspect that 1 and 2 may never have made into customer hands. I really have no idea what the differences would have been. Ever since I got mine, I have been on the look out fro another '66 and haven't found one yet. I suspect mine is the last one, but you never know, one might turn up in an old hangar, or over seas somewhere.

 

 

When did the twisted wing show up and what years were they?

[DaV8or]

Possibly another good project for someone looking such a challenge. On another forum someone posted up that Flightaware shows the plane last flying 2008. May have flown VFR out in the boonies after that, but with no logs... who knows? I wouldn't bid more than $8000 on it. You only get one hour to look it over just before the auction. Risky, but if you don't go to high, you'll be able to get you money back on parts should it all go south.

 

My biggest concern would be liens on the title. Is there a bank out there that still has an interest in it??? Many airplanes end up like this because something breaks and then the repairs can't be afforded and the plane is now under water on the loan, so they walk away.

[DaV8or]

When did the twisted wing show up and what years were they?

 

The twisted wing is for 1966 and 1967 model years only. I'm not exactly sure where the serial number cut off is, but the '68s went back to the standard wing. It only applies Fs as well.

[Marauder]

The twisted wing is for 1966 and 1967 model years only. I'm not exactly sure where the serial number cut off is, but the '68s went back to the standard wing. It only applies Fs as well.

 

Dave -- do you know if the ailerons on this 66 manufactured, 67 model (get that right?) will work on my 75F?

[Alan Fox]

It has been seized on mechanics lein , so after the sheriffs sale the other leins get cancelled out , the law stipulates that the lein holder must be notified , I have purchased aircraft this way , but have parted them all out...... This is worth parts only , and 8K is way high...... With no logs it is basically a core.....  The only possibility of any value above 2 or 3 K is if the prop is the new style hub , which is doubtful , as there is no damage history reported to the FAA or NTSB........ I'm trying to decide if its even worth the gas to fly out for the auction....Most FBOs exercise the full lein value at the auction so they don't get stuck with a non paying owner a second time.....and sell it to a scrapyard.....

[DaV8or]

Dave -- do you know if the ailerons on this 66 manufactured, 67 model (get that right?) will work on my 75F?

 

I think so, but I would check with Mooney, or an MSC to be sure. I believe all the ailerons are pretty much the same from C on up. Maybe even the B too, I don't know.

[DaV8or]

It has been seized on mechanics lein , so after the sheriffs sale the other leins get cancelled out , the law stipulates that the lein holder must be notified , I have purchased aircraft this way , but have parted them all out...... This is worth parts only , and 8K is way high...... With no logs it is basically a core.....  The only possibility of any value above 2 or 3 K is if the prop is the new style hub , which is doubtful , as there is no damage history reported to the FAA or NTSB........ I'm trying to decide if its even worth the gas to fly out for the auction....Most FBOs exercise the full lein value at the auction so they don't get stuck with a non paying owner a second time.....and sell it to a scrapyard.....

 

So you are saying the engine has no core value? I thought this engine was popular with kit builders? I wonder what the FBO wants to get for it? If really is only worth $2-3000 in parts/scrap, then it's not worth it to even show up IMO. I still maintain it could be a good project for somebody. Some people like to work with their hands and get an airplane on the installment program. Hence the popularity of kit planes.

[Alan Fox]

The problem of bringing it back , is complying with all the ADs , Just the engine ADs alone would require a tear down because of all the AD'd parts that could be in it , and yes the 2 to 3 K is the engines core value.....Add the time to tear down the rest of the airplane , transport it , and dispose of the excess , and then store it while parting it out , anything over that 3k cancels out any profit.......to put it back in the air is really not a realistic goal , considering you can get one in annual flying in this condition for south of 30 K .... 

[KSMooniac]

I'd love to see someone love this plane and get it airworthy, but I concur with Alan.  Economically it makes no sense whatsoever, and even if you value it as a labor of love, it is still a big roll of the dice to hope that it is even possible to make it airworthy.  The engine is a crap-shoot...could be original to the plane with 2-3 overhauls already, which means the crank and case might not have enough meat left for another overhaul.  Cam, gears and cylinders could be rusted beyond repair.  The wing might be full of corroded rat piss regions.  I would only bid on the value of the control surfaces, landing gear (and doors), interior, and panel if they look OK visually.  If the rest of the plane checks out well and can be made airworthy, then that would be a huge bonus.

[Wildhorsesracing]

You might be able to contact the previous owner and see if he has the logs...

 

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N9526M

[Seth]

It's not a '66. Neither was the one you owned. Both yours and this one are '67 models that were manufactured during 1966. There were hundreds of '67 Fs built in 1966. Yours was 144th one off the line that year. The only 1966 Fs built were serial numbers 66-0001, 66-0002, 66-0003 and 66-0004. Mine is 66-0004. The next F down the line after mine was officially a 1967 and had a serial number of 67-0001.

 

Interestingly, there is some difference between '66 serial numbers 0001, 0002 and 0003 and 0004. Numbers 3 and 4 use the same service manual and POH as the '67s and serial numbers 1 and 2 I guess have there own manuals, but I suspect that 1 and 2 may never have made into customer hands. I really have no idea what the differences would have been. Ever since I got mine, I have been on the look out fro another '66 and haven't found one yet. I suspect mine is the last one, but you never know, one might turn up in an old hangar, or over seas somewhere.

I stand corrected.  I'll have to check my original serial number, but I thought mine was a 66 F as well.  Great information.

 

Follow up:  You are entirely correct.  67-0144 was my serial number, which means 67 F not 66, but yes, produced in 1966 because it has a 1966 airworthiness certificate.

 

Great piece of information.

[nels]

Anybody know what this one sold for?

[Marauder]

Nope. Alan? You ever follow up on this plane?

[Alan Fox]

No , I did a little due diligence on the owner , (previous) and decided it was probably not even viable for cores.....