chrisk Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I was surfing Barnstormers and came across a 1986 252TSE for $94,300. It is N252TM. I'm just curious if anyone knows about this plane. The avionics are probaby original and I suspect the engine is near TBO. But still, that seems on the low side for a 252, even if it's going to be $60K for an engine and GPS. http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=692125&ReturnURL=%2FMooney%2520Classifieds.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I've been on Barnstormers weekly for about 10yrs. I remember the same 252 about 2-3 years ago. It's hard to get Florida out of any airplane... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 That plane is also listed on controller.com by Scott macdonald broker. It's got 1900 hours on it so I would assume its runout, it's been stored in a private hanger Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It's hard to get Florida out of any airplane... Rational or not, I would be concerned with any plane coming out of Florida. Hot, humid, and mostly coastal. It's a recipe for corrosion. I would be just as cautious for a plane coming out of Galveston Tx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 That's funny. The most corroded plane I have ever owned spent most of its life tied down in Torrance, CA. The second most corroded spent 17 years tied down in Teterboro, NJ. Hangarage and an active corrosion control program are the keys, folks. Not geography. Some of the Best maintained and best shape Mooneys in the fleet reside in Florida. Jim sums it up nicely. But I have seen some very sad Mooneys in Florida and in Minnesota. They have one thing in common: An owner who doesn't take an active posture on maintaining the plane. This is what Don Maxwell sees everyday. The planes that get out of his shop with just a base annual charge are the ones the owners take care of, hanger, corrosion proof, and stay on top of squawks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Rational or not, I would be concerned with any plane coming out of Florida. Hot, humid, and mostly coastal. It's a recipe for corrosion. I would be just as cautious for a plane coming out of Galveston Tx. There is very little salt in coastal air except right on the beach where the salt water gets atomized, you should be more worried about northern climates where salt is applied to runways. There are lots of older florida cars around, none are suffering from corrosion, but many paint jobs are suffering from the exposure to the sun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I bought my Mooney out of coastal Florida and it was corrosion free. Was always hangared which may be the key. I looked at the plane and the engine was top overhauled ~700 hours ago so it might fly well beyond TBO (see Mike Busch's articles on TBO). It definitely looks OEM top to bottom and there was no mention of NDH so there may be some damage history. One thing for sure, if it really is a good deal it won't last long at that price. If it's a dog, it will still be there in 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Rational or not, I would be concerned with any plane coming out of Florida. Hot, humid, and mostly coastal. It's a recipe for corrosion. I would be just as cautious for a plane coming out of Galveston Tx. While true, it is a recipe for corrosion, I would be concerned and cautious about corrosion with any plane from any place. Lets be fair, if you have to fix a corrosion problem from a plane from Florida it wont cost a dime more to fix than the same corrosion problem from a plane coming from Austin Texas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I was surfing Barnstormers and came across a 1986 252TSE for $94,300. It is N252TM. I'm just curious if anyone knows about this plane. The avionics are probaby original and I suspect the engine is near TBO. But still, that seems on the low side for a 252, even if it's going to be $60K for an engine and GPS. http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=692125&ReturnURL=%2FMooney%2520Classifieds.html For comparison, this same broker has a 84 trophy conversion with 1400 hrs, 430 WAAS + MX-200 for $98.5K http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MOONEY-M20K-252TSE/1984-MOONEY-M20K-252TSE/1293363.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooniac15u Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 There is very little salt in coastal air except right on the beach where the salt water gets atomized, you should be more worried about northern climates where salt is applied to runways. There are lots of older florida cars around, none are suffering from corrosion, but many paint jobs are suffering from the exposure to the sun. Most northern airports do not put salt on runways. The only thing I've ever seen used is sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Dave Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 you should be more worried about northern climates where salt is applied to runways. Our roads in Wisconsin are doused with salt and leftover cheese brine (I'm not even kidding), but salt is not used on airport surfaces anywhere in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 There is very little salt in coastal air except right on the beach where the salt water gets atomized, you should be more worried about northern climates where salt is applied to runways. There are lots of older florida cars around, none are suffering from corrosion, but many paint jobs are suffering from the exposure to the sun. Dude...Really? That is pretty funny. Can you tell me your source material there? Did ya have to dodge a salt truck on final to 27? Thank you for the morning entertainment, but I almost spit some hot coffee on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Can you tell me your source material there? Did ya have to dodge a salt truck on final to 27? I assumed they were laying down sodium salt like they do with roads, looks like they use potassium instead, although there still would be corrosion concerns: From airport-technology.com: Potassium based runway de-icers are used around the world, but they are basically salts that will melt ice and pose a hazard to aircraft as they can cause corrosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dawson Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 There is very little salt in coastal air except right on the beach where the salt water gets atomized, you should be more worried about northern climates where salt is applied to runways. There are lots of older florida cars around, none are suffering from corrosion, but many paint jobs are suffering from the exposure to the sun. Which airports have runways and taxi ways salted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooniac15u Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I assumed they were laying down sodium salt like they do with roads, looks like they use potassium instead, although there still would be corrosion concerns: From airport-technology.com: It's a completely different kind of salt. Salts that you typically think of are chloride salts such as sodium chloride and potassium chloride. The salts used in the aviation environment are organic salts such as potassium acetate. These do not have the same corrosive properties as the chloride salts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnicolette Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Seems this airplane has been on the market since 2010? 2014-01-31 632 Days Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 $96,500 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 2. 2013-10-08 FAA Last Action 1986 MOONEY AIRCRAFT CORP. M20K N/A Not Listed 25-1058 GRAHAM HERBERT S MD 209053 3. 2013-07-04 Price Changed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 159900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 4. 2012-05-10 Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 159900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 5. 2011-09-14 28 Days Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 $159,900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 6. 2011-09-09 58 Days Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1945 $114,900 25-1058 772-466-3355 7. 2011-08-16 Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 $159,900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 8. 2011-07-13 Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1945 $114,900 25-1058 772-466-3355 9. 2010-12-14 FAA Cert. Issue 1986 MOONEY AIRCRAFT CORP. M20K N/A Not Listed 25-1058 GRAHAM HERBERT S MD 209053 10. 2010-06-15 161 Days Listed on controller.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1890 $119,000 251058 Scott MacDonald Aircraft Sales 772-781-5900 11. 2010-05-10 Price Changed on controller.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1890 125000 251058 Scott MacDonald Aircraft Sales 772-781-5900 12. 2010-01-05 Listed on controller.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1890 125000 251058 Scott MacDonald Aircraft Sales 772-781-5900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It's a completely different kind of salt. Salts that you typically think of are chloride salts such as sodium chloride and potassium chloride. The salts used in the aviation environment are organic salts such as potassium acetate. These do not have the same corrosive properties as the chloride salts. Ah, didn't know that. thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantom Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 While you're worried about OWT corrosion stories on costal state planes like FL, how about all those northern planes that sit and sit and sit for the cold hard winters and if they get cranked up, it's often a cold engine start. I've lived and flown, both north and south, and their are dangers everywhere. How about nice dry AZ where planes bake in a hanger or out. Caveat Emptor and a good PPI, but to denigrate FL planes is just plain uniformed. In the old days I'd say repeating this misinformed OWT was ignorant, but it was pointed out to me that i was being 'harsh'. So just stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorJay69 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Seems this airplane has been on the market since 2010? 2014-01-31 632 Days Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 $96,500 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 2. 2013-10-08 FAA Last Action 1986 MOONEY AIRCRAFT CORP. M20K N/A Not Listed 25-1058 GRAHAM HERBERT S MD 209053 3. 2013-07-04 Price Changed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 159900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 4. 2012-05-10 Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 159900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 5. 2011-09-14 28 Days Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 $159,900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 6. 2011-09-09 58 Days Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1945 $114,900 25-1058 772-466-3355 7. 2011-08-16 Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1900 $159,900 25-1058 12143 772-781-5900 8. 2011-07-13 Listed on aso.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1945 $114,900 25-1058 772-466-3355 9. 2010-12-14 FAA Cert. Issue 1986 MOONEY AIRCRAFT CORP. M20K N/A Not Listed 25-1058 GRAHAM HERBERT S MD 209053 10. 2010-06-15 161 Days Listed on controller.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1890 $119,000 251058 Scott MacDonald Aircraft Sales 772-781-5900 11. 2010-05-10 Price Changed on controller.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1890 125000 251058 Scott MacDonald Aircraft Sales 772-781-5900 12. 2010-01-05 Listed on controller.com 1986 M20K 252TSE 1890 125000 251058 Scott MacDonald Aircraft Sales 772-781-5900 Where did you get that info? VERY intersting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorJay69 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Where did you find the market history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Rational or not, I would be concerned with any plane coming out of Florida. Hot, humid, and mostly coastal. It's a recipe for corrosion. I would be just as cautious for a plane coming out of Galveston Tx. Sorry if I offended anyone with my Florida comment. I will point out that I did not say I wouldn't buy a plane from Florida. Just that I would be concerned, which turns into me asking more questions about corrosion, to both the owner and who ever was doing the PPI. Writing off a plane because it had Florida in its history would be silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnicolette Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Hi Doc Aviongoo.com Its a pay service but is particularly helpful when scouring the market for purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 the plane has been all over the place with its asking price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegrah Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hey guys, Just found this thread, sorry for the late reply. This is my plane. I bought it from my Dad a few years ago because I thought I would get back into flying (it's been almost 40 years since I flew). I'm an aerospace engineer and work in the industry for a large aerospace component designer/manufacturer, currently running a repair station. Shortly after I bought the plane I realized I was never going to have time to fly it and decided to sell it. My Dad has been helping to advertise it occasionally but we really haven't pushed it too hard. The plane really is in great shape. My Dad took great care of it. It is hangared in his personal hangar and he looks after it all the time. We don't really know what we could get for it, that's why the price is all over the place. My job focuses on large commercial aircraft, I don't keep up much with General Aviation. There's nothing wrong with this plane - please feel free to contact us and we can discuss. It's really a great plane that needs a home. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 The secret for avoiding any vehicle (car or Plane) deterioration is simply "shelter". If you leave your Mooney outside in Arizona in five years it will develop fuel leaks, the seat fabric will crack and the paint start loosing it gloss or chipping. As soon the paint start chipping corrosion will start. José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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