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The quotes are from my broker, he presents all the options and lets us decide which underwriter we wish to use.

Well I was wondering what the increasing from AIG was going to look like. We had received an odd e-mail back in June about changes even though our policy was not due until December. The hull is insured for $55K and I have multiple partners (why it is higher than single pilot). AIG was exactly a 40% increase from $2096 to $2852. We have three quotes: USSIC $1350 AIG $2852 AIM $2930 Any Pireps on USSIC (US Specialty Insurance Co)? At half the cost with a slightly higher deductible I can't see any reason not to go with them.

In my albums. The switch is a secondary safety, time to replace your gear doughnuts and clean and adjust your squat switch.

3m 8001 is used in many areas. This the yellow adhesive and can be found at most autoparts stores.

" One thing I've seen discussed elsewhere for a 2 owner deal and one wants to get out: one owner picks the price and the he second chooses if s/he is buying at that price or selling at that price." Works well for divorce settlements as well. I have heard of spouses that claim the Mooney is worth way more than it is. This works well in that case. The spouse can have the Mooney at that price and you can buy it back later are the real value.

I will give the opposing view on partnership. It all depends on your view on the aircraft and how you use it. I love our Mooney, but it is a tool to allow me to travel distances quickly. I own a glider outright as my primary aircraft, so I don't fly the Mooney for the $200 hamburger. I use the Mooney for pleasure and realistically fly about 40 hours per year at this point, I fly 100 to 150 hours per year in the glider. I purchased my Mooney and then set up a partnership. I had no trouble finding partners that met the desired profile (minimum 200 hours and financially stable). We use an on-line scheduling tool. I have had very good experience with my partners and I am happy the plane flies more regularly than I would fly it. when it comes to annuals it is nice to have extra hands to help remove panels. Never have had a problem using the plane when I want it. I find unless you are flying for business, most people over estimate the number of hours they will fly in a year. I am a classic Mooney pilot that is driven by efficiency both in the plane and the use of money. A plane is not an investment, I would rather put the extra money into something that has a return on the investment. Last weekend I flew the Mooney to Southern Utah for the holiday, had Thanksgiving dinner at Zion Lodge in the national park and will write off much of the cost of the trip to a rental property I own in the area that is generating income from the money invested. When you are ready to retire, will you be happier you owned the plane yourself or you have a few hundred thousand more in a savings account? You should never look at what it costs to own a plane and never let your spouse know, but try this exercise: Calculate the cost for the $83K plus per month costs. Then image you spend $100K and find two partners so you have $33.3K invested plus the costs for operating the Mooney. Now calculate if you invest the difference between the two planes from now till you retire with even a conservative 5% return. We have operating guidelines about how the plane is flown and what condition it should be left in. You don't leave a Mooney seat in a fixed position so other than computers and papers switching pilots is very easy. Just wanted to give something to think about. Tim

VFR, would like to get the IFR someday. I have 2200 total hours and about 270 in Mooney's. Not sure how much IFR flight I can do from Utah as most of it would be into icing conditions. It would be nice to be able to fly IFR it if needed, but I am conservative and don't fly at night either in SEL.

But usually it requires being in the wrong place at the wrong time for the other leg . I had to buck a 20 knot headwind for a 2:30 flight on Wednesday from Northern Utah to Southern Utah. That allowed me to be in the right place at the right time on Saturday for a 30 knot tailwind to cruise from Hurricane to Logan, Utah at 170 knots and a 1:53 return flight. At least Murphy's law of aviation, "There will be a headwind in both directions", did not apply.

In general it is accessed from the underside by removing the belly panels beneath it. You can remove the seats and all the plastic in the center but much harder that way. The parts manual calls out a specific bulb, when I went to replace one on our 75F it did not match. The shop elves ended up using a high brightness LED with a resistor epoxied into the base of the old bulb. it is much brighter than the standard bulb with less heat. Here is the old thread: Search Google for Mooneyspace gear bulb. I can't paste the link here for some reason.

Convert it to digital and put copies in several places including the cloud. Takes up much less space. Now you don't need to keep it all in the safe.

Start with: http://www.donmaxwell.com/publications/MAPA_TEXT/Dukes ITT landing gear/dukes__itt_landing_gear_actuato.htm Our older Mooney's have a lower gear ratio landing gear actuators and put more stress on the gears and motors. Possible problems include: 1. Bad motor 2. Worn gears 3. Improper maintanance 4. Weak breaker First step is to have your mechanic inspect and lube the landing gear and actuator. Then swing test the system to ensure the motor is not bad. The gear upgrade is high on my list for my 75F. One thing to note, if the gears fail in the landing gear actuator, you can not manually lower the landing gear.

Travis, welcome to MS. I think a J or F would work well for your primary mission, time difference would be only a few minutes at 250 nm. I agrees that your 182 numbers are optimistic, 135 knots at 12.5 gph are more realistic. Real world numbers for Mooney's is 150 knots (140 for an F) at 9 gph. Most Mooney pilots are driven by speed and efficiency. If your personality falls in this type then you are at the right place. I fly an F, very similar to a J in all aspects, and can easily fly four average sized adults over 400 nm miles with reserves. With three on board we often fly nearly 600 nm with the 54 gallons the F has with bladders. For your price range I would stick with either the J or F. The mid sized planes offer a comfortable ride for all passengers at the price point. The 10 extra inches makes the rear seats much nicer and more room for baggage. For $80K you are looking at a minimally equipped older J or a well equipped F. An upgraded F with 201 windshield and other mods can nearly run with the J's. As others have said, it is cheaper to get the instruments in the plane than to upgrade later. From your mission I would also suggest partnership in the long run. Unless you are flying often on business it usually makes sense both financially and it is good for the plane to be used more often to have a few partners. Go fly a Mooney and you will never want to go back to anything else.

Several years ago my manual extention would not work. We removed the gearbox where the flexible cable joins the electric drive and cleaned it in a chemical bath and replaced all the grease. The grease had become hard and limited the movement of the cable.

A parent trying to show logic to a high school senior is a waste of time. They will do the opposite of what ever you want just for spite.

I have done a purchase from a distance. It can be done and is not hard. First accept that it is going to cost some money, but it is nothing compared to the cost of owning the aircraft in the long run. Start with a good purchase agreement on who will pay what costs and how issues in the PPI will be handled. Critical will be who pays for repairs, what repairs are required versus would be nice to do. Who pays to get the plane back to the owner if the deal falls apart? The distance to Don Maxwell is nothing for a Mooney and the fact that the tanks were repaired there is a good reason to go there for the PPI. The logbooks and lack of flying for the last few years affect the price and you have to decide your risk level and value of each of those to you. Remember that when you sell the plane the buyer will be merciless about the missing logs. The engine will be a risk, but the PPI should include assessments of the engine. When you arrange the PPI, specifically have the shop assess that as much as possible. My plane did not fly for several years before I purchased it and I have not had any issues.

The list looks reasonable. I have owned a C and an F. I prefer the F by a great deal. The extra 10 inches makes a great difference in comfort and stability of the aircraft. The IO is much nicer to lean and run efficiently and the extra hp is nice for the west. I cruise at about 8.5 to 9.0 gph on most flights. One thing to seriously consider is a partnership. You can have up to 5 partners before the insurance companies considers it a club. We have five partners and have never had an issue with use of the plane. We run about $150 per month to cover the basic costs (insurance, hangar, annual) and $35 per hour plus fuel for flight time. Some people have trouble sharing a plane but if it is more of a tool for you it might make sense to look into a partnership. It is nice to pay 1/5 the cost when something needs to be upgraded. I have friends that bought a plane by themselves and most sit in the hangar 99% of the time. You can also buy much more airplane than you can by yourself if that is your dream.

The cold hard facts of life. A C will never be an E or F. An E or F will never be a J. The price of one is limited by the price of the next step up model. Once a C gets above $45k you start asking why not go with a E or F. Once these get above about $65-70k you ask why not just buy a J.

Several calculators around: http://www.themooneyflyer.com/valuation/M20JValuation.html If you are a AOPA member: https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft-and-ownership/buying-an-aircraft/vref-aircraft-valuation How long can you fly it before an engine overhaul? Likely from 25 to 400 hours. You are not required to overhaul it at 2000 hours so you can go significantly beyond that, on the other hand there are no guarantees in aviation. You need to plan for the cost of a new engine the day you purchase the plane. Purchase price should reflect the risk or walk a way.

I agree with Carusoam that a fuel flow system is one of the best investments for peace of mind for long flights. I would not want to fly without one now. I have checked mine extensively so that I can trust it for long flights. Nice to know how long you can fly. My F with 54 gallons can travel over five hours with reserve when leaned to 8.6 gph at about 139 knots. I never trust the fuel gauges and would use the one hour tank switch method for getting a good idea of fuel available. Start on one tank and fly for one hour, switch to the other tank for one hour. Switch back to the original tank until it runs dry. That time is a good estimate (slightly conservative because you climbed on the first tank) of the time you have left if you don't change cruise settings. I flew 528 nm with comfortable reserve in my C.

My early C with 48 gallon tanks was a good four hour plane in the west at 9 to 12 K. Use the standard O-360 leaning technique of lean till rough and then enrich just to smooth. I would average 9.5 gph or 38 gallons for 4 hours. This leaves 8 useful or 10 total as reserve. With no wind this should give you nearly 520 nm range.

I would say most early Mooney pilots were more likely to drive BMW's or Porsche's of that era. The 2002 or 911 were fast and efficient. Both were much simpler than their cousins built today, very similar to the evolution of the Mooney lines. Interesting, I had a 1974 2002tii and now I fly a 1975 20F.

Remember your manual is likely 50 years old. Much better products now. I like Plexus. I also like the Meguiars Plastx. I have used Pledge in the past but feel like it leaves some residues that may discolor or cause the plastic to go hazy over time. Make sure to use a soft, clean cloth.

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