Political discussion forum

[FlyDave]

Craig,

 

Can you create a "Political Discussion" forum?

You've created a great forum for discussion of

 

M o o n e y  A i r p l a n e s

 

but I'm afraid quite a few people have lost sight of this fact.

I'm really tired of all this bullshit political nastiness and backbiting. If people really feel that this is the right place for political discussion then let them spew their garbage in their own little place in the corner - where it belongs - so the rest of us don't have to waste our time picking through discussion threads trying to find the PERTINENT POSTS.

And one quick question for all you people that can't seem to let politics go on Mooneyspace:

 

How many of you are politically active in your community and local, state and federal campaigns? If you're not ACTIVELY trying to change things then it seems you just want to bitch as much as possible. If that's the case, please keep your bitching to yourself. This country was build on ACTION - Not whining complainers!

 

Dave

[FloridaMan]

How about a General Discussion and leave it at that?

[scottfromiowa]

Go see Lincoln my California friend. POTUS has put Aviation (commercial and general) out there in the forefront. The discussion is that. Words, including yours have a right to be spoken. You knew what the topic was. The world is filled with opinions. I do not agree with many, but still enjoy hearing all of them. Now if you want to talk about eliminating personal attacks I am down with that. Don't read those posts. Otherwise you are just like others that wish to muzzle thought and freedom of expression. You want to ban fowl language, also down with that.

Back to watching golf. Maybe there will be some rainbows and unicorns and new Mooney's for $100,000 AMU's too...

[Apollo]

I didn't pay money (donations) for this website to be turned in a political discussion forum. Anywhere, ever.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

PoliSci teacher at a University

[BigTex]

This is our virtual hangar and like our physical hangars, politics does raise it's ugly head. So folks that want to go at it, feel free. So I don't see the harm of giving those folks a corner of our virtual hangar to talk politics should be allowed. At least that way when it comes up in other threads, we can point them to their corner of the hangar.

[triple8s]

Wow, reading this takes me back a few years ago I used to go up to a sleepy little airport and wait for the rest of the gang. We would usually go fly off to have lunch somepplace. I really enjoyed those days, one bit of entertainment was when Fred and Pat would both be there, all anyone had to do was bring up politics and the fun would begin!

[fantom]

Note that the most emotional rants have been within these political topics, usually after some subtle comment that's part of a longer non-political dialog. Simone gets their feathers ruffled, and emotes back hard, then we're off to the races. I've seen what was once the most congenial board I've ever known ripped apart by a handful of political zealots on a large sport car forum. Everyone lost BIG time. Don't kid yourselves...it can happen here. It almost did on the Mooney chat list about ten years ago. Jav finally set up an isolated pig pen for people to opt into and fling mud. I hope we're better than that here. Almost all of us don't give a flying rats ass what someone else's political.beliefs are, so why not cool it. This forum is for 'Mooney talk', not inflammatory political drivel. A little adult restraint and a well oiled scroll wheel will do wonders. We can release our frustrations either debating aviation subjects or teasing Yankee dentists

[Sabremech]

I'm with the no group for having a political section. It will do nothing but bleed out of that section in to all other sections of the board. We should just deal with the small amount that crops up every now and then in the threads now. That topic as well as religion have ruined many good forums that I use to frequent.

David

[Cruiser]

there are plenty of places to talk politics. This site is for Mooneys

[PTK]

We can release our frustrations either debating aviation subjects or teasing Yankee dentists

...or southern confederate insurance salesmen.

[Parker_Woodruff]

...or southern confederate insurance salesmen.

 

ouch

 

You'll never totally eliminate politics on an aviation board.  Flying is part of what little freedom remains in this country.  And it's also sometimes a political subject.

 

Debate with facts and not emotions and you'll have a lot more productive discussion.  Stop Global Whining.

[PTK]

Hey, don't bring the Confederacy into this. I'm pretty sure that Gary told me that he is originally from New York.

Jim

Then he is a confused insurance salesman! This is worst than I thought. But that explains a lot!

[fantom]

I left NY after college for the USAF, never to return to the land of northern aggression. While I now reside in FL, my history and heart are Texan. The only aspect of the NE I like is the NY Giants. Certainly not MD drop out teeth pullers.

[Jeff_S]

Folks, like it or not, politics plays a very big part in our ability to continue to fly as we enjoy it. So I see nothing wrong in healthy political discourse around topics related to aviation. It's true that sometimes people get their feathers ruffled, go off on tangents, get all emotional and spew abuse...so we're just like members of every congress or political body in the democratic world.

 

It's very easy in this forum to skip over content you don't like, don't agree with, etc.  As long as the general rules of civil discourse are obeyed I don't see anything wrong with the occasional foray into political discussion.  Frankly, I can only read so many times about LOP/ROP, how to pre-heat an engine in the winter, etc.  Let's not be afraid to spice it up a bit!

[Oscar Avalle]

Look guys and Mooney friends,  I am not a US citizen, but I have lived some time in the US and my older kids are citizens. Currently I am posted abroad, but if there is something I respect and miss now that  I am out of the country, is your freedom to say what you would like to say, while everybody else listens and respects your opinion. Don't take it for granted I can assure you it is not.

[Apollo]

What part of the US did you live in again? Because the entire thread that the political discussion was posted in devolved into 'WHO ARE YOU CALLING STUPID, STUPID?!?'

 

 

I think the nice part of this mooneyspace.com is its NOT just for americans. It's also for mooneys abroad. What if we start getting liberal democrat vs tory discussions in here from England. Let's just agree to keep it civil, and avoid a POLITICAL DISCUSSION FORUM.

 

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[Oscar Avalle]

What part of the US did you live in again? Because the entire thread that the political discussion was posted in devolved into 'WHO ARE YOU CALLING STUPID, STUPID?!?'

 

 

I think the nice part of this mooneyspace.com is its NOT just for americans. It's also for mooneys abroad. What if we start getting liberal democrat vs tory discussions in here from England. Let's just agree to keep it civil, and avoid a POLITICAL DISCUSSION FORUM.

 

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Let me just agree with you, in particular the second part.

[scottfromiowa]

I was banned from the site for a period based on a perceived "attack" on another member...

What are the rules of the site?  Is it not a self police site?  What is the definition of an attack?  What is the difference in an attack and asking a question?  What is the difference between an opinion...and a statement?  (These are rhetorical questions)

 

Is it just a question of power...and authority or the perception?

 

I find many things humorous AND entertaining on this site and the majority are NOT related to How a Mooney Step functions or why it is NOT functioning.  If THAT morphs into political rants I do concur that the site has gone "South"...Hmmm I wonder what the origins of that are?

 

I maintain that open discourse is what makes the U.S. Great.  I know the difference between debate and whining.  I believe I have not ever been the initiator of political discourse in a link...but I will definitely communicate my opinion if I am "told to think otherwise".  What a PC world we now have become...from this point forward I will just talk about Mooney's and when someone says something I will simply type: NOPE

 

Or better yet the next time I am asked for $ I will require there be rules established so I might clearly understand when something for which I purchased is taken away. 

 

No regrets in Cedar Rapids, IA

 

Scott

[triple8s]

I see the drones circling around Cedar Rapids !

[fantom]

....I know the difference between debate and whining.

 

I discuss, others whine  Those domestic drones may get us all

[FlyDave]

All,

 

I started this thread because the "Political discussions" turn into nasty, sniping exchanges.

Political DISCUSSION that is pertinent to aviation is healthy here. I, for one, find the nasty sniping exchanges, self serving (for what value to the poster I don't understand), divisive and a waste of my time to read. I also don't feel they provide any value to the Mooneyspace community (but please point out to me where I'm wrong in that assumption - entertainment doesn't count!).

I don't want to sound like Rodney King but "Can't we all just get along?"

 

Dave

[scottfromiowa]

NOPE

[flyboy0681]

I have to admit that I'm partly responsible for the latest thread that turned heated. All I said was that Hugo Chavez was no friend of ours and then some members became unglued.

It occurs to me that some members don't like long discussions because they are notified via email every time someone responds. There's a simple solution to this, at the top of the discussion there's a button to unsubscribe from the subject. By simply pressing "Unfollow this topic", one could opt out of future notifications.

Sorry fellas.

[John Pleisse]

Never, in recent memory, has an American President and executive branch been so openly hostile towards general aviation. Those who seek political sterility, here or anywhere else in GA, are niave or politically coy. Airplanes an politics are inseparable because both involve access and copious amount of money. I am the most veril, right wing partisan one could imagine. I don't author political threads, I don't start crap. But the second somebody seeks political discussion, I will be the first to jump in an keep back door partisans in line. Best example, the most recent political thread about keeping politics out of AOPA! Who would be so stupid as to even author a thread with the word "politics" in the title? This thread was a total abortion, the direct result of the author, not reactionaries. These are polarizing political times. Many democrats love their elected officials more than they do GA and too often are emboldened to the point they can't help themselves. Planes and politics??? Inseparable.

Never, in recent memory, has an American President and executive branch been so openly hostile towards general aviation. Those who seek political sterility, here or anywhere else in GA, are niave or politically coy. Airplanes an politics are inseparable because both involve access and copious amounts of money. I am the most verile, right wing partisan one could imagine. I don't author political threads, I don't start crap. But the second somebody seeks political discussion, I will be the first to jump in an keep back door partisans in line. Best example, the most recent political thread about keeping politics out of AOPA! Who would be so stupid as to even author a thread with the word "politics" in the title? This thread was a total abortion, the direct result of the author, not reactionaries. These are polarizing political times. Many democrats love their elected officials more than they do GA and too often are emboldened to the point they can't help themselves. Planes and politics??? Inseparable.

[jetdriven]

Never, in recent memory, has an American President and executive branch been so openly hostile towards general aviation. Those who seek political sterility, here or anywhere else on GA, are niave or politically coy. Airplanes an politics are inseparable because both involves access and copious amount of money. I am the most veril, right wing partisan one could imagine. I don't author political threads, I don't start crap. But the second somebody seeks political discussion, I will be the first to jump in an keep back door partisans in line. Best example, the most recent political thread about keeping politics out of AOPA! Who would be so stupid as to even author a thread with the word "politics" in the title? This thread was a total abortion, the direct result of the author, not reactionaries. These are polarizing political times. Many democrats love their elected officials more than they do GA and too often are emboldened to the point they can't help themselves. Plane and politics??? Inseparable.

 

The thread was about keeping non-aviation politics OUT of AOPA. You and your two stooges couldnt argue fact, so you quickly switched to personal attacks, and at one point even making fun of the OP's last name, gender, and employment. I suppose you can't control yourself hiding behind that screen name.At one point one of you got banned for a time because of that bad behavior. Perils of an unmoderated forum, I suppose. Perhaps that't why the discussion is so much more civil on Beechtalk. They don't tolerate that shit.

 

No go teach your wife how to fly an airplane, like mine does.   Its pretty cool.