Will.iam Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 Anybody know the story behind this prop strike in sherman tx? Went to go get fuel there and noticed this mooney parked there with the prop blade tips bent. But also noticed nose gear doors scraped up but the mains and belly were not. Not quite sure how that could happen as the mooney gear is all tied together i. E. I don't think the nose gear can collapse with the mains still locked in place can they? Just wondering if the prop strike was from a bounced landing or nose gear collapse. Quote
KSMooniac Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 yes, any gear can collapse independently with enough force, or mis-rigging. Is that a later model J? KSWI has the best fuel prices in the area and I take advantage regularly! Quote
1980Mooney Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 (edited) 5 hours ago, Will.iam said: Anybody know the story behind this prop strike in sherman tx? Went to go get fuel there and noticed this mooney parked there with the prop blade tips bent. But also noticed nose gear doors scraped up but the mains and belly were not. Not quite sure how that could happen as the mooney gear is all tied together i. E. I don't think the nose gear can collapse with the mains still locked in place can they? Just wondering if the prop strike was from a bounced landing or nose gear collapse. 5 hours ago, KSMooniac said: yes, any gear can collapse independently with enough force, or mis-rigging. Is that a later model J? KSWI has the best fuel prices in the area and I take advantage regularly! It is not just a prop strike. It is a classic gear-up landing while conducting "touch and goes". N10WN, a 1990 M20J, registered to a long time owner. Yes it is a later model, Serial No. 24-3203, sold as a MSE. His first touch and go was a straight in approach. If you look at his second pass (when he geared up) he was slower than the first pass. He must have thought his gear were down (and slowing him down). There is no way for one landing gear to collapse independently of the others without breaking or bending the tubular rod linkages and/or tearing apart the turnbuckles. It would be a mangled mess under the belly skins and there is no way it would be sitting on its landing gear now. Watch the YouTube below. Link from Aviaton Safety Network post: Gear-up landing Incident Mooney M20J N10WN, Monday 2 September 2024 (flightsafety.org) Per FAA ASIAS "Narrative: The Mooney M20J landed gear up while conducting touch-and-goes." N10WN Flight Tracking and History 02-Sep-2024 (KADS-KSWI) - FlightAware https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a0045c&lat=33.607&lon=-96.588&zoom=15.4&showTrace=2024-09-02&trackLabels×tamp=1635703215 Edited October 29 by 1980Mooney Quote
Will.iam Posted October 29 Author Report Posted October 29 7 hours ago, 1980Mooney said: It is not just a prop strike. It is a classic gear-up landing while conducting "touch and goes". N10WN, a 1990 M20J, registered to a long time owner. Yes it is a later model, Serial No. 24-3203, sold as a MSE. His first touch and go was a straight in approach. If you look at his second pass (when he geared up) he was slower than the first pass. He must have thought his gear were down (and slowing him down). There is no way for one landing gear to collapse independently of the others without breaking or bending the tubular rod linkages and/or tearing apart the turnbuckles. It would be a mangled mess under the belly skins and there is no way it would be sitting on its landing gear now. Watch the YouTube below. Link from Aviaton Safety Network post: Gear-up landing Incident Mooney M20J N10WN, Monday 2 September 2024 (flightsafety.org) Per FAA ASIAS "Narrative: The Mooney M20J landed gear up while conducting touch-and-goes." N10WN Flight Tracking and History 02-Sep-2024 (KADS-KSWI) - FlightAware https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a0045c&lat=33.607&lon=-96.588&zoom=15.4&showTrace=2024-09-02&trackLabels×tamp=1635703215 That’s what i thought too and that is what surprised me is that there is no damage to the main gear or main gear doors there is no damage to the belly but there is damage to the nose gear doors. So unless the nose gear collapse with the main gear down or someone already repaired the damage to the main gear or they hit the prop and nose then flared back up and quickly put the gear down and landed. If not these scenarios, I have no idea how the damage could only be on the nose, gear doors and prop. Quote
1980Mooney Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 4 hours ago, Will.iam said: That’s what i thought too and that is what surprised me is that there is no damage to the main gear or main gear doors there is no damage to the belly but there is damage to the nose gear doors. So unless the nose gear collapse with the main gear down or someone already repaired the damage to the main gear or they hit the prop and nose then flared back up and quickly put the gear down and landed. If not these scenarios, I have no idea how the damage could only be on the nose, gear doors and prop. I suspect that there is damage to the belly. You just need to look more closely. That looks like the typical damage when landing a Mooney fully gear up. If the nose gear linkage breaks due to a massive porpoise then the bottom of the cowl is scraped and the propellor much more bent. And it would not be sitting on its nose gear. I know someone who landed his J fully gear up twice. If you do it with half flaps and land level and straight it tears up the prop, nose gear door, the belly and usually rides on the flap hinges. And usually the step snaps off or is ground down. If it is with full flaps, then the flaps are usually damaged. In most Mooney cases, when they lift the plane, the gear can be lowered normally. The stories of "gear collapsed on touchdown" are usually BS for Mooneys - they are more common for Cessna, Beech and Piper. Look at these Underwriters Salvage Company - N201JW - 1976 Mooney M20J Underwriters Salvage Company - N201BH - 1976 Mooney M20J Here is one where the nose gear linkage broke. 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 If it is gentle enough, the nose gear doors, step and flap hinges will support the plane. 1 Quote
EricJ Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 25 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said: The stories of "gear collapsed on touchdown" are usually BS for Mooneys - they are more common for Cessna, Beech and Piper. I think for Mooneys those are almost always Johnson bars that popped out of a worn downlock block. 1 Quote
A64Pilot Posted November 9 Report Posted November 9 On 10/29/2024 at 4:15 PM, EricJ said: I think for Mooneys those are almost always Johnson bars that popped out of a worn downlock block. Or proposing that on about the third bounce does collapse the nose gear Quote
Shadrach Posted November 9 Report Posted November 9 On 10/28/2024 at 7:52 PM, Will.iam said: Anybody know the story behind this prop strike in sherman tx? Went to go get fuel there and noticed this mooney parked there with the prop blade tips bent. But also noticed nose gear doors scraped up but the mains and belly were not. Not quite sure how that could happen as the mooney gear is all tied together i. E. I don't think the nose gear can collapse with the mains still locked in place can they? Just wondering if the prop strike was from a bounced landing or nose gear collapse. Maybe he elected to “go around” when he heard the sound of metal on pavement and then landed normally. Would not be the first time. 1 Quote
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