Sarasota Florida Mooneymart

[jetdriven]

All I know is all their airplanes seem overpriced to the market.  We bought a J from All American for less than they  (Mooney Mart) were asking for a 67 C model.

well there is still is for sale 18 months later. for 80K as well.  N2948L.  Right next to the $90K 1978 J with a midtime engine and 170Bs.

[FAST FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC]

coy is still there. I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago about his 252 conversion...interesting guy

[David Mazer]

Quote: 201-FLYER

coy is still there. I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago about his 252 conversion...interesting guy

[mrjones30]

Quote: rbridges

have you checked to see if anyone local is looking for a mooney partnership?

 

 

 

No I haven't, I'm looking to buy the Mooney outright but I just need to be around people with experience.

[mrjones30]

Quote: Mazerbase

I can't believe I'm the first to tell you to stay as far from Mooney Mart as humanly possible. I understand Coy Jacobs is no longer involved, rumor has it from others at SRQ that he was seen being dragged off in cuffs (and I'm totally certain he deserved it), but those left worked with Coy for some time and guilt by association if fair in this situation. DON'T BUY ANY THING OR ANY SERVICE FROM MOONEY MART EVER, EVER!

There are plenty of reputable people in the aviation industry and AAA seems to always get high praise. I would go with that over any snake oil or promises you get from Mooney Mart. I'm not alone in my opinion. Do a search on this site and you will find many that have had similar experiences.

So much for item #3 on your list.

 

 

Thank you for your post,

 

I'm not going to buy anything yet, I just have to get in one to see if it's a good fit they will try to persuade me I'm sure but I have tough skin. I just want to see what's available get in a few to get a feel of them, (Because I never been in one). If I'm going to fly in one I have to see if I'm comfortable.

[co2bruce]

Quote: Mazerbase

Run and hide.  Never speak to him again and maybe you and your airplane will be safe from him.

[mrjones30]

Quote: Mazerbase

I can't believe I'm the first to tell you to stay as far from Mooney Mart as humanly possible.  I understand Coy Jacobs is no longer involved, rumor has it from others at SRQ that he was seen being dragged off in cuffs (and I'm totally certain he deserved it), but those left worked with Coy for some time and guilt by association if fair in this situation. DON'T BUY ANY THING OR ANY SERVICE FROM MOONEY MART EVER, EVER!

There are plenty of reputable people in the aviation industry and AAA seems to always get high praise.  I would go with that over any snake oil or promises you get from Mooney Mart.  I'm not alone in my opinion.  Do a search on this site and you will find many that have had similar experiences.

So much for item #3 on your list.

[Cabanaboy]

-Mooney Service Center

Daytona Aircraft Service 866-662-2049 Jim Teski

http://www.daytonaaircraft.com/home.htm

Premier in FT Lauderdale. 866-875-4347  Ray Bysiewicz

http://www.flypas.com/aircraftservices.html

[mrjones30]

Quote: CABANABOY

-Mooney Service Center

Daytona Aircraft Service 866-662-2049 Jim Teski

http://www.daytonaaircraft.com/home.htm

Premier in FT Lauderdale. 866-875-4347  Ray Bysiewicz

http://www.flypas.com/aircraftservices.html

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: mrjones30

[FAST FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC]

+1 for Phil.  I used Daytona Aircraft Services on a regular basis and they are good folks; however, after finding Phil Jiminez things have changed.  He's now my go to guy for any problems I might have.  I couldn't get to Maxwell in Texas for my annual this year due to some work commitments and used Phil.  He is honest, on time, does good work, knows Mooneys (that's all he works on) and his prices are fair. (954-868-3319)

[Cabanaboy]

Call and ask, money talks so I would think so. Hopefully you just see them once a year for annuals.

 

re:

Thank you,

 Will they come to my home hangar in Saint Pete if I can't fly there?

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: CABANABOY

Thank you,

 Will they come to my home hangar in Saint Pete if I can't fly there?

[M20F]

+1 for All American Aircraft bought my M20F there and couldn't have been happier with the deal.  Two good guys that know Mooney's and will work with you.

[mrjones30]

Quote: xftrplt

Just a thought. It appears you're looking for a Mooney while also choosing a FI. I'd suggest, slow down. Find an instructor whom you like. Solo. Decide if you really want to pursue a PPL (and an IR, which is a good idea for a Mooney driver). Get some time, and then look for an aircraft. I'll probably get some blowback on this advice, but years ago my wife and I decided to get PADI certified. Piece of cake, but, after a couple of dives to look at fish, the experience paled: yep, they're there. Diving was not an activity either of us cared to pursue. Glad I didn't spring for the fancy kit.

 

 

 

 

(+1 ) As well as all of the good advice on this thread. To be honest I thought it wouldn't be this difficult to buy a plane. I thought it was just like buying a car. You go to a lot, find one you like and then take off with it....boy was I wrong! especially from the horror stories I got. I had priced everything out, (Insurance, Hangar costs, Annuals and a little bit extra for when things "pop up") So thought I was covered.

I will check out Mooney Mart this weekend and check out some planes after that I will spend most of my available time trying to find a school and getting my PPL. I thought right after school I would be ready to buy a Mooney.....wrong again! I still wouldn't be ready enough to fly it.

So I will take my time, look at LOTS of mooneys go flying in them and then decide on a purchase.

[Parker_Woodruff]

Why would you still not be ready enough to fly it after your private? What's wron with you getting your private then going up right away with an experienced Mooney CFI and learning how to fly one the right way? If you're somewhat competent and can listen to instruction, a Mooney is not that difficult of a plane to fly for a new private pilot.

You don't need to go look at and fly a lot of Mooneys. Maybe a short and midbody, a longbody if you must (they're pretty much the same as a mid body for crew and pax). 

Seems like you're choosing a visit to Mooney Mart because it's easy. I can think of 1000 other things to do for a prospective Mooney owner that would be more worth your time and you might actually get some advice you can trust.

[David Mazer]

An airplane isn't a car.  The time and effort put into perfecting a mass produced product like a car is orders of magnitude beyond that for a limited production, limited market product like our airplanes.  Things that "pop up" can be very expensive and a little extra isn't really enough.  Flying can be done at a reasonable expense but it isn't ever cheap.  For me, flying is definitely worth the time, effort, commitment, and money and I recommend it to everyone to explore and decide but I wouldn't buy an airplane until I knew I liked to fly, could afford to fly, and understood my mission profile.

I'll take the same heat as xftrplt and advise you to slow down.  Get an instructor, take a demo flight, get some flight time and then decide.  I'll also agree with Parker that a non-turbo Mooney isn't beyond a proficient private pilot's capabilities with good transition training (I'd probably avoid the turbo models as they do take a lot more attention as does higher altitudes). I will also reiterate that going to Mooney Mart is a bad idea.  People tend to incorporate information received even if they later learn that information was false.  It is difficult to avoid once exposed.  We get it everyday in the media, in advertising, on the web, and here but if you question the source before you are exposed and know that the source is unreliable, the best answer is don't read it or listen to it in the first place.  Coy is as unreliable as a human being can get.  Go see Parker instead.  Come see me, I'm in Orlando.

[mrjones30]

Quote: Parker_Woodruff

Why would you still not be ready enough to fly it after your private? What's wron with you getting your private then going up right away with an experienced Mooney CFI and learning how to fly one the right way? If you're somewhat competent and can listen to instruction, a Mooney is not that difficult of a plane to fly for a new private pilot.

You don't need to go look at and fly a lot of Mooneys. Maybe a short and midbody, a longbody if you must (they're pretty much the same as a mid body for crew and pax). 

Seems like you're choosing a visit to Mooney Mart because it's easy. I can think of 1000 other things to do for a prospective Mooney owner that would be more worth your time and you might actually get some advice you can trust.

[mrjones30]

Quote: Mazerbase

An airplane isn't a car.  The time and effort put into perfecting a mass produced product like a car is orders of magnitude beyond that for a limited production, limited market product like our airplanes.  Things that "pop up" can be very expensive and a little extra isn't really enough.  Flying can be done at a reasonable expense but it isn't ever cheap.  For me, flying is definitely worth the time, effort, commitment, and money and I recommend it to everyone to explore and decide but I wouldn't buy an airplane until I knew I liked to fly, could afford to fly, and understood my mission profile.

I'll take the same heat as xftrplt and advise you to slow down.  Get an instructor, take a demo flight, get some flight time and then decide.  I'll also agree with Parker that a non-turbo Mooney isn't beyond a proficient private pilot's capabilities with good transition training (I'd probably avoid the turbo models as they do take a lot more attention as does higher altitudes). I will also reiterate that going to Mooney Mart is a bad idea.  People tend to incorporate information received even if they later learn that information was false.  It is difficult to avoid once exposed.  We get it everyday in the media, in advertising, on the web, and here but if you question the source before you are exposed and know that the source is unreliable, the best answer is don't read it or listen to it in the first place.  Coy is as unreliable as a human being can get.  Go see Parker instead.  Come see me, I'm in Orlando.

[David Mazer]

The transition isn't that tough.  Really.  You just need to understand that speed control for landing starts much earlier on a Mooney than a Cessna.  Learn to fly then chose a plane based on your mission and you will be happier and more satisfied.

I come to SRQ on a rare occasion. I will try to notify you if it makes sense to meet up.  If you are coming this way, let me know and we will work something out.

[co2bruce]

If you’re at the Demo flight stage, your well on your way, but far from the "buy myself an airplane" stage. Get your PPL, and you would be advised to do it in a Cessna 172 or similar trainer. THEN (with PPL in hand) decide on your mission and right plane for that mission. I personally went from a C 172 to Piper Archer, to Mooney. Don't rush, get your training and license and go from there. I know what you are feeling, when I took my discovery flight I knew this was something I wanted and would achieve. One word of advice would be "Once flying gets in your blood, you will never get rid of it".

Best of luck and welcome to our community.  

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: mrjones30

 Thanks for your post.  I was told the transition is difficult from a Cessna to a Mooney because of the speed of the airplane and the prop control might be a little tough to understand at first. Remember, I have never been in a Mooney.  That is the reason why I'm going to Mooneymart, I figured I would get in a few planes and actually see one in real life. What I hear about the owner I doubt this is going to be "easy".

Please feel free to let me know of other things I could be doing, I'm open to discussion.

 

Thank you

[N601RX]

If you get your private in a 150 or 172 and then immediately buy a Mooney, your insurance will require to to get an additional 15-20 hrs of dual.  Then 10-15 more of solo before they will allow you to carry any passangers. Granted this extra training can be anything you and your instructor decide upon such as working on your IFR

If you spend 10 hrs or so in the 150 and then start training in your own mooney, when you get our private you will have met your insurance requirements and be ready to fly it. There are upsides and downside to both ways.

[Hank]

Mr. Jones--

Like you, flying is something I've always wanted to do, but assumed was out of reach for "normal" people, and the Navy said my eyes weren't good enough. Later in life, I learned that both parts of that are wrong.

I started aggressive lessons, and began looking while doing student XC work. My thoughts were look around, see what was available, and maybe buy something in a year or two. Instead, just before my checkride, a nice Mooney came available at my home field, and it was a terrible distraction leading up to my checkride. But I managed to put it out of my mind and concentrate on what I was doing.

Six weeks later, I wrote a big check and became a Mooney owner. Joined MAPA. Helped with the immediate annual to learn the guts of the plane. Flew with a Mooney-experienced CFI recommended by the insurer. Wrote a really big check to them [i had 62 hours total time. BIG check!] Went to a MAPA PPP. With 100 Mooney hours, VFR insurance fell 50%. Added IFR in my plane, insurance fell another 30%. Now I have >450 Mooney hours, have been to much of the country, visit my widely-scattered family on weekends, and life is great.

Cessna-to-Mooney is a transition, but with a CFI who knows Mooney airplanes, it's not much trouble. Speed control is important; keeping up with the plane is a little different; landing is a little different.

For now, concentrate on that PPL, and learn to fly accurately. Hold altitude exactly. Fly the pattern at precisely the correct speed. Land with the centerline between your feet and the stall horn squalling. It will help when you transistion to a Mooney.

1) Learn to fly. 2) Learn to fly well. 3) Learn to fly accurately. 4) Shop for planes in your spare time. 5) When you find a good one, jump on it!

[FloridaMan]

If you're in St. Pete and are dead set on a Mooney, unless Parker's willing to help you with your PPL, I would recommend Bill A. at Bay Air at Albert Whitted for primary instruction. He's an excellent pilot, instructor, and owned a Mooney M20J for quite a while, so he may be able to offer you some pointers and help you to transition.