Should Tesla buy Mooney?

[GeeBee]

3 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

I’m a BEM “bugger eating moron” so excuse me.

But what does the stock market have to do with it? I hope not much, because I’m pessimistic about it now. 

You have to have a car, the money is spent whether Tesla or Audi A4 or BMW 3 series, all in my opinion comparable cars. I’ve been using the miata as we have one, but it’s not really a comparable car.

So the money to buy the car is spent whichever car, so we are now into the operating and maintenance costs, and the Tesla seems to be about 20% of the costs of any of those cars I mentioned or less.

Will It hold up? They have been out for I think it’s 12 years and so far the answer is yes, but the model 3 is so far advanced from the originals that it’s likely that it will do much better.

Cost of money. When you spend more, it is not what the premium you pay in dollars, it is the loss of opportunity those dollars represent. If you buy a 60K car vs a 40K, your difference after 1 year is not 20 K, it is 22K. Your difference after two years is 24.2K. At lasts 3 years, 26.5K. This of course does not account for depreciation which makes the numbers more disparate.  Then if you finance, things get really whacky.

Nothing wrong with owning the car, boat or airplane of your choice, as long as you recognize the real costs and the cost of money is significant. I

[A64Pilot]

Oh, and as to the stack of dough comment, I didn’t touch it, I borrowed money from USAA at 1.8%, assuming it was better to leave money invested and earn 10% as opposed to spending it.

I did the same with the house, it’s illegocial to be able to borrow money at less than the rate of inflation, and I have a feeling that to a great extent is what’s driving said inflation, but I’m. BEM when it comes to financial understanding.

[carusoam]

Wait until you see how sharp the finance guys are around here…

Inflation

interest rates

cost of living adjustments

Mooney economics

Lost opportunity costs… (to rain on the parade)

 

The fun starts when the house is paid, the kids have moved, and your cars have proven to go the distance…

USAA used to have a brokerage service… one day they moved it all over to Charles Schwab….

So I have read around here somewhere…

 

PP thoughts only, still not a fin guru…

-a-

[A64Pilot]

33 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

Cost of money. When you spend more, it is not what the premium you pay in dollars, it is the loss of opportunity those dollars represent. If you buy a 60K car vs a 40K, your difference after 1 year is not 20 K, it is 22K. Your difference after two years is 24.2K. At lasts 3 years, 26.5K. This of course does not account for depreciation which makes the numbers more disparate.  Then if you finance, things get really whacky.

Nothing wrong with owning the car, boat or airplane of your choice, as long as you recognize the real costs and the cost of money is significant. I

Understand that, just I believe the savings in operating cost more than make up for it. To drive an ICE vehicle the same number of miles each month is $300 in fuel, it’s $60 in electricity, $240 a month times 12 is roughly $2,900 a year, and that’s just fuel add in oil changes and it’s over $3,000 easily.

Depreciation wise it’s better than any other car

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33935142/tesla-model-3-depreciate-electric-car/

 

On edit, I recognize it has costs, however I believe it’s costs are less than any comparable ICE vehicle.

It’s the Wife’s car, she is making the payments, she is a car person, hence the V Caddy and the SS Camaro and Z28 that preceded the V. But while she’s proud that she pays for the car, I pay for fuel, insurance and upkeep.

I couldn’t  say she can’t have her new car after writing an over 100,000 check for the Mooney, surely you guys can understand that.

‘But I can help pick a car that costs less for me to insure, fuel and upkeep

Edited April 15, 2022 by A64Pilot

[aviatoreb]

18 hours ago, carusoam said:

NJ likes their nuclear power plants….  Would an electric hummer make me a green driver?

No - but the new EV hummer has a really cool crab walk feature.

[A64Pilot]

Just changing the type of power may not really help much.

‘This morning I watched a Youtube comparing an F-150 towing a 7500 lb box trailer vs a Rivian towing the same trailer over the exact same course.

Even accounting for the high price of fuel right now, the difference in cost between the two was just not much, plus the Rivian’s range pulling the trailer was abysmal, just in my opinion pretty unusable. The Rivian with its four motors etc appears at first glance to be a pretty inefficient machine

 

[A64Pilot]

To put a number on the you don’t save money buying a Tesla, I’ll run some numbers against a comparable auto, the BMW 3 series.

We paid about 42K for our Tesla last year so purchase price is the same.

https://www.truecar.com/compare/tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-3-series/

We drove our Prius over 279,000 in ten years so I’ll use 250,000 as a basis to compare, both I’m sure can easily make it if properly maintained.

Our model 3 has averaged over 7,000 miles to use 218WH per mile, so .218 x 250,000 is 54,500 KWH which at my cost of .14c per KWH results in a fuel cost of $7630. US average is 13.7c per KWH so it’s a good planning number.

On edit, these numbers are only valid for charging at home, “Supercharging” from my limited experience is 34C per KWH, so if you Supercharge often that will drive your cost up, significantly.

The BMW 3 series according to the Government gets 28 MPG so 250,000 give us 8,929 gallons of fuel burned. Which is $35,714 in fuel burned using $4 a gallon, I have no idea if that’s the new normal or not but suspect we will never see $2 a gl ever again.

But there is more, I change my own oil and use high quality synthetic and either a Mobil 1 or K&N oil filter and I think it costs me about $50 per oil change. That’s key I think in getting over a quarter million miles and not burning oil when you get there.

With an OCI of 5,000 miles, that’s $2,500 in oil changes, but we have plugs or course, air filters, xmsn fluid and differential oil changes, so assign your own number to that.

So we are at $80,214 to purchase and drive the BMW for a quarter million miles

The Tesla we are at $49,630 a difference of $30,584

Almost $31,000 to me is saving money. Oh, I checked with USAA and the Tesla was cheaper to insure, but not by a whole lot.

I left out tires and brakes assuming they are a wash, but the Tesla brakes due to it using regenerative braking will way outlast an ICE cars brakes, the Prius did anyway and regen on a Prius is tiny in comparison to the Tesla

Some people get off peak utility rates and can cut that 31K way down, and at least in TX there are even utility plans for free nights, so in theory that 31K goes away.

I’m suspicious of that free night thing myself though, I’m sure your days cost more, there is no free lunch.

Someone check my math because I suck at math, and make errors.

But to my earlier statement of just changing form of power may not do much, ref the Rivian vs F-150 towing, the most efficient EV is the Standard range Tesla model 3, efficiency gives it a smaller, lighter, cheaper battery, pretty much any other EV will cost more than the Model 3, some probably double.

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by A64Pilot

[Fly Boomer]

On 4/16/2022 at 2:10 PM, A64Pilot said:

Tesla brakes due to it using regenerative braking will way outlast an ICE cars brakes, the Prius did anyway and regen on a Prius is tiny in comparison to the Tesla

Don't really know how this compares to late-model ICE-only cars, but my Prius V wagon (longer, wider, taller, and heavier than the original Prius) has 150,000 on factory brakes so far.  Crappy factory tires had to be replaced at about 100,000.

[A64Pilot]

The Prius, if driven like a Prius should be which is to maximize coasting, as soon as you see the light ahead turn yellow back off the accelerator, and never accelerate into a red light and use the display on braking to use regen as much as possible will honestly likely never have to have its brakes changed. The biggest problem people who lived in the great white north and were driving the Prius as an economy car had was corrosion on the brake rotors as they weren’t used enough to keep them cleaned off

Now contrast that to my Daughter who after I gave her the car for college actually warped both front rotors within a year shows that it’s very driver dependent.

The Prius being a hybrid, had two small motor / generators, only one which could regen and a small battery pack was pretty limited in regen, but a Tesla which has by comparison a BIG motor / generator and a BIG battery pack, it’s regen is much stronger before the friction brakes kick in, the Tesla is capable of one pedal driving where you never touch the brake pedal, just lift the throttle and let regen do its thing, it’s much more relaxing and you never realized how annoying having to hold the brake the whole time the light is red until you don’t have to do it anymore.

Unfortunately I don’t know how much or when the friction brakes are used, there is no display like the Prius had, but as it will stop on a hill and not roll, that's friction braking

The Prius although sportier than most realize, was obviously meant to be an economy car, the Model 3 on the other hand was not, most seem to want to call them luxury cars I guess due to cost but they are pretty plain inside, not luxury really. I see it as a performance sedan, just one with whose steering wheel just feels too small for a sporty car.

Anyway there were a whole group of us who used to hypermile the Prius, but none of the tesla owners seem to be driven to reduce consumption, and surprisingly as a group they have no where near the curiosity of how does it work like the Prius drivers did.

 The Tesla owners seem to be more concerned whether the Tesla is truly vegan or not, I’ve tried surfing the Tesla owner web sites, but there just isn’t much if any knowledge there, the Prius guys by comparison were breaking into the Prius computer and really getting into how the thing worked pretty much right away.

[aviatoreb]

13 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

The Tesla owners seem to be more concerned whether the Tesla is truly vegan or not, ...

Huh?!  Such generalities.

[Hank]

2 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

The Tesla owners seem to be more concerned whether the Tesla is truly vegan or not

Give me a thick slab of rare beef, or a thoroughly smoked pork shoulder any day! 

I don't try to hypermile, I don't drive a hybrid. But my 2017 Nissan Altima has 96K miles on the original brakes, and 65K on its current tires (factory tires always suck). And I get unhappy if any tank averages < 36 mpg; the last two or three oil changes, it's been > 37. Range is > 600 miles, then after a 10-minute stop it's good for 600 more.

How long will it take your fancy Tesla to drive 1200 miles, if you are not starting or finishing from your home, or near a supercharger? That's what matters to me and is why I'm avoiding anything electric. So your frequent comparisons to your Miata and Caddy SUV are just not representative of the current automotive experience. 

No electric airplane usable for travel will be available for decades. Think I'll just keep my Mooney . . . . Gas engine and all.

[A64Pilot]

10 hours ago, aviatoreb said:

Huh?!  Such generalities.

Go over to the Tesla sites, the biggest threads were about getting Tesla to ditch leather which they did, although I suspicion the driving factor is “vegan” leather is cheaper. Until recently I didn’t know vegan leather was a thing, apparently it’s just Pleather, Naugahyde, Ultraleather whatever brand name for plastic, but call it vegan leather and Lady’s handbags etc are priced higher than leather.

Then there was a thread or two on getting your steering wheel replaced with a new one so you didn’t have to wear gloves anymore, because you know touching some poor dead animals skin is just so gross.

However Tesla apparently isn’t “truly” vegan as it seems some kind of egg product is used in the adhesive, so you know just when you thought you could take your gloves off comes this horrible truth, how dare Tesla do something underhanded like that and not disclose it.

About the only tech threads are all about how to recover lost battery capacity, 20 or 30 pages commenting about a new procedure where you run the battery to almost dead, let it sit for several hours, then charge to 100%, let it sit again and this recalibrates the BMS and you regain capacity.

But here’s the thing, you don’t regain any lost capacity, the loss wasn’t real, it’s just the BMS being conservative in reporting SOC and their procedure doesn’t increase battery capacity, it merely increases displayed capacity, and it’s bad on the battery.

But honestly they choose to not understand that and go on and on about how often should you perform the BMS reset etc. While slowly damaging their battery, keep it up and their loss in capacity will be real, eventually.

Now I like Tesla, I have one and the people who frequent internet sites may not be a realistic cross section of owners, but I’ll tell you, a few of them are interesting folks. Most auto sites seem to focus on the tech of the automobile, the Prius guys for instance would be tearing into the Tesla heat pump, because let me tell you that thing is a technological marvel, it’s interesting to people who are curious about mechanical things.

Maybe it’s the age group or something, because younger generations often seem to not be very interested in mechanical things, aren’t interested in how something works, don’t seem interested in things that defy normal logic in their operation like heat pumps that function in below zero weather.

The ones who join to learn about the tech, like me leave because it’s not there.

There I assume is or will soon be a site that discusses the tech and maintenance, but I didn’t find it, perhaps it’s too soon? I mean one model is the absolute quickest automobile ever built, there just has to be motorheads digging into them  to make them faster and discover how they work?

[A64Pilot]

9 hours ago, Hank said:

How long will it take your fancy Tesla to drive 1200 miles, if you are not starting or finishing from your home, or near a supercharger? That's what matters to me and is why I'm avoiding anything electric. So your frequent comparisons to your Miata and Caddy SUV are just not representative of the current automotive experience. 

To answer your questions.

First your telling on yourself by calling it my “fancy” Tesla, I don’t consider it fancy at all, if we wanted that we would have bought a Lexus. If you go drive one, or even sit in one you’ll realize it’s not a luxury vehicle, it’s actually pretty utilitarian.

Secondly a CTS-V is no SUV, it was and it’s successor may still be the World’s fastest four door car, using the Nuremberg ring lap times as the metric, made me proud a US car beat out the Merc’s, BMW’s and even Porsche’s. Now if Harely would get off their butts and do the same.

‘This is the CTS-V’s successor and sadly the last gas performance car from Cadillac, our V could only be had with a stick shift, the first Caddy that could be purchased with one for over 50 years I think, it was the first not your Grand Ma’s Caddy in a long time.

The Tesla is decently comparable to the CTS-V, the V is faster especially on a track, but not by a whole lot, she especially likes a performance car but we concede the utility of an economy car, the Tesla merges both, with a cost per mile of less than Prius, but an almost V level of performance it’s having your cake and eating it too

Then driving 1200 miles isn’t our Tesla’s mission, why in the world would I want to drive 1200 miles, that would be miserable? That’s the Mooney’s mission. The Tesla’s mission is to take her back and forth to work keeping her safe and comfortable, but safety is paramount because we probably aren’t as good a drivers as we used to be, we aren’t that old, but reaction times are slower, so safety has become more of a concern of mine

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

https://insideevs.com/news/560991/tesla-accident-data-2021-q4/

I’m not saying everyone or anyone should dump their ICE and go electric, but I believe more and more it will happen, the economics will drive it. You just can’t make a logical case economically against them, not for the majority of drivers.

For me the truth is I can’t afford any new airplane, so whether or not a new electric airplane is built, I couldn’t afford it anymore than I can afford a biz jet, so it’s a mute point for me. Assumption it would cost at least as much as a new Cirrus and some go for over a Mil? I don’t have a Million $ for an airplane. That’s why I hope soon an alcohol / water injection system will be approved for our airplanes enabling us to burn Mogas as I believe in the current climate the friends of the earth may gain traction on banning leaded fuel, they haven’t gone away I don’t think, the lawsuits are still out there

Edited April 19, 2022 by A64Pilot

[aviatoreb]

1 hour ago, A64Pilot said:

Go over to the Tesla sites, the biggest threads were about getting Tesla to ditch leather which they did, although I suspicion the driving factor is “vegan” leather is cheaper. Until recently I didn’t know vegan leather was a thing, apparently it’s just Pleather, Naugahyde, Ultraleather whatever brand name for plastic, but call it vegan leather and Lady’s handbags etc are priced higher than leather.

Then there was a thread or two on getting your steering wheel replaced with a new one so you didn’t have to wear gloves anymore, because you know touching some poor dead animals skin is just so gross.

However Tesla apparently isn’t “truly” vegan as it seems some kind of egg product is used in the adhesive, so you know just when you thought you could take your gloves off comes this horrible truth, how dare Tesla do something underhanded like that and not disclose it.

About the only tech threads are all about how to recover lost battery capacity, 20 or 30 pages commenting about a new procedure where you run the battery to almost dead, let it sit for several hours, then charge to 100%, let it sit again and this recalibrates the BMS and you regain capacity.

But here’s the thing, you don’t regain any lost capacity, the loss wasn’t real, it’s just the BMS being conservative in reporting SOC and their procedure doesn’t increase battery capacity, it merely increases displayed capacity, and it’s bad on the battery.

But honestly they choose to not understand that and go on and on about how often should you perform the BMS reset etc. While slowly damaging their battery, keep it up and their loss in capacity will be real, eventually.

Now I like Tesla, I have one and the people who frequent internet sites may not be a realistic cross section of owners, but I’ll tell you, a few of them are interesting folks. Most auto sites seem to focus on the tech of the automobile, the Prius guys for instance would be tearing into the Tesla heat pump, because let me tell you that thing is a technological marvel, it’s interesting to people who are curious about mechanical things.

Maybe it’s the age group or something, because younger generations often seem to not be very interested in mechanical things, aren’t interested in how something works, don’t seem interested in things that defy normal logic in their operation like heat pumps that function in below zero weather.

The ones who join to learn about the tech, like me leave because it’s not there.

There I assume is or will soon be a site that discusses the tech and maintenance, but I didn’t find it, perhaps it’s too soon? I mean one model is the absolute quickest automobile ever built, there just has to be motorheads digging into them  to make them faster and discover how they work?

I hear you.  You don't like the advertising pitch of the sales team.

Well, I know several Tesla owners and not one of them is attracted by vegan leather rebranding of pleather.  And none of them are young hipsters.  A typical youngster can't afford a 100k car, but they are certainly out there.  The owners I know range from "middle aged" to "old" (young at heart!).  Every one of the ones I know were attracted to the performance.  And the nifty gadgets - autopilot etc.  But mostly the performance.   0-60 in 1.99 sec?!!  Anyway somewhat different from the stereotype of a meat hater.  I really don't care if they are vegan or meat eaters.  Or if the leather is real or pleather if it is quality.  ...I would own one if I didn't live in a snowy climate - I have a Subaru.

[A64Pilot]

You know that the thing, the model 3 is NOT the 100K Tesla, we paid 42K for ours and I think they are just under 50K now, half what your belief of what a Tesla costs. Average US car sold right now costs more, this article was from Jan, and prices haven’t gone down.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38748092/new-car-average-sale-prices-47100/

I know internet chat rooms aren’t the average owner, but it’s interesting to see where the Tesla ones went.

This is a Loong video, and if frankly is meant to lionize the Caddy, which we love, we will keep the CTS-V for as long as we can, but at the beginning, it makes the point that the electric absolutely slaughters ICE, I’m sorry as much of a motörhead that I am, but when an EV slaughters the best ICE cars, and even is faster than the bikes, it’s over.

If your a car guy watch the whole thing it’s pretty interesting.

If you watch the video you will see that they set the Willow springs lap record with the BMW, then break it with the Caddy, but then break the Caddy’s record with the Tesla. It also makes the comment thst in normal driving the Blackwing uses 6.7 times as much energy as the Tesla Plaid.

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by A64Pilot

[AH-1 Cobra Pilot]

On 4/15/2022 at 11:45 AM, A64Pilot said:

‘Compared to a BWW 3 series the Tesla cost of ownership is far less and I think they are comparable cars

Allow me to try again to get through:  You do not buy a Tesla or a BMW to save money.

[MIm20c]

This thread makes me chuckle…. Can’t believe how much energy some have put into it defending their car choice.

[A64Pilot]

5 hours ago, AH-1 Cobra Pilot said:

Allow me to try again to get through:  You do not buy a Tesla or a BMW to save money.

You don’t buy a Mooney to save money either, or do You? I think many of us that fly Mooney’s do so to save money

When looking for an airplane my choice pretty much settled on to either a V tailed Bo or a Mooney J model, both would fit the mission, either cost about the same money to buy, but it cost about 1/3 less to fly the J than a Bo. I bought the J largely due to its lower cost to operate so in that comparison I don’t see why your having a tough time understanding the operating cost differences between a Tesla and any other comparable ICE car, by a much larger margin, it cost 5 times as much to fuel an ICE if you charge at home, so it cost us $240 less per month, if that’s not saving money I’m not sure what is.

Saving money is relative, it would be cheaper if we bought all of our clothes at Goodwill, but somehow I don’t think she’s going for that and I certainly wouldn’t ask

[carusoam]

5 hours ago, MIm20c said:

This thread makes me chuckle…. Can’t believe how much energy some have put into it defending their car choice.

You’re going to find…

MSers have excess energy…

…and it has to go somewhere!   

Standby for the MSer that bought his car pre-flown…. Probably paid half the new price, with 20kmi on the odometer….

Some MSers are retired, and have more time than the other MSers…

 

 

Looks like flight times are increasing for battery powered airplanes…

Best regards,

-a-

[Hank]

17 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Standby for the MSer that bought his car pre-flown…. Probably paid half the new price, with 20kmi on the odometer….

That's all I've ever done! Typically 10-15K and 20-25% less than new. Last was a 17 Altima in '19 with 20,114 miles for 15.3K total off-the-lot cost including tax, title, registration, etc.

Driving distances for electric cars are still abysmal for those of us who live "way out in the county" (8 miles to a town of 1020 souls; 12 miles to a town of ~4700 [both per 2020 census]; about 40 miles to the nearest supercharger, which is 12 mile detour from the interstate. 

Let's not even mention the abysmal flight times on the toy electric airplanes, which would require a fleet to replace even my little, slow C model . . . . .

[A64Pilot]

1 hour ago, carusoam said:

 

Standby for the MSer that bought his car pre-flown…. Probably paid half the new price, with 20kmi on the odometer….

Some MSers are retired, and have more time than the other MSers…

I’m Retired and hence the excess time, and before Retirement I was certain with the Prius that I had bought my last new car, but with whatever is going on, used car prices are greater than their value (in my opinion), and Tesla’s in particular are nuts.

We paid 42K for our standard range + and that’s what two year old cars are bringing

https://www.carvana.com/cars/tesla-model-3?utm_source=google&utm_medium=sem_nb&utm_term=1&utm_campaign=14817593189&utm_content=122939779410&utm_target=kwd-464551378473&utm_creative=549043308644&utm_device=c&utm_adposition=&utm_rollup=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwu_mSBhAYEiwA5BBmf1td559IQTdOnwc51z1U01kGoQUOztml1K00WSc_oagVKliQ4TzgRRoCgFgQAvD_BwE

The depreciation rate for a model 3 is 10% over three years, but out of curiosity, look yourself what a one or two yr old Model 3 is bringing, or at least asking anyway on the used market, it’s equal to or higher than a new car, and the reason is there is a several month wait if you want new, but used and your driving today.

But I’ll readily concede in a normal world where used cars depreciate on average 42% in three years it only makes sense to try to find a good three year old car, but not right now, some used cars have actually appreciated if you can believe the news.

[Hank]

46 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

The depreciation rate for a model 3 is 10% over three years, but out of curiosity, look yourself what a one or two yr old Model 3 is bringing, or at least asking anyway on the used market, it’s equal to or higher than a new car, and the reason is there is a several month wait if you want new, but used and your driving today.

But I’ll readily concede in a normal world where used cars depreciate on average 42% in three years it only makes sense to try to find a good three year old car, but not right now, some used cars have actually appreciated if you can believe the news.

My '17 Altima, bought used in '19 before shortages, is still worth more than I paid for it. And that is a third of what you paid for your Tesla, which I can't drive to see my mother (360 miles each way) when the weather is too good to fly. No chargers near me, few enroute and none where she lives. Therefore, an electric car is useless to me regardless of its resale value, or at best highly impractical. 

And no, I will never own an SUV until they become the only available choice and whatever I'm driving instead gives up in me.

[A64Pilot]

Tesla apparently has a handle if you will on people rebuilding totaled cars, they won’t sell the pyro fuses I believe.

Apparently it’s very difficult to break a high voltage, high current connection, I think normal switches etc will arc and weld shut or something, so Tesla developed a pyro fuse that as I understand it can break that connection in the event of a wreck etc. But they won’t sell them, and they are sole source.

There may even be a lawsuit under some kind of right to repair?

[A64Pilot]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

My '17 Altima, bought used in '19 before shortages, is still worth more than I paid for it. And that is a third of what you paid for your Tesla, which I can't drive to see my mother (360 miles each way) when the weather is too good to fly. No chargers near me, few enroute and none where she lives. Therefore, an electric car is useless to me regardless of its resale value, or at best highly impractical. 

And no, I will never own an SUV until they become the only available choice and whatever I'm driving instead gives up in me.

The two trips we have made were to Lanett Al the closest Supercharger is 20 min away so I topped off in Columbus before we got there, but yes there are places and I’d bet entire States that aren’t really great for an EV, I bet Montana may not have many chargers yet either for example

But there are more charging stations than you may think, 169 in Alabama, not counting Tesla. For some reason they seem to be hidden without any kind of signage like you see for gas stations, often they aren’t much more than a plug on the wall of a building so if you didn’t know it was there you would miss it.

People find them using apps, so no need I guess for signage

‘But you don’t need charging stations, any plug will charge some, but to charge relatively quick you want a 50 amp 220V outlet, like a stove or dryer outlet, but even RV sites work fine, cause they are either 30 or 50 amp.

Plus a considerable number of Motels are installing destination chargers and I’ve not seen one that you have to pay for, idea of course is you stay at the Hotel and overnight you wake up and your car is “full” and you didn’t pay for it. In Fl Commercial rate for electricity is just under 10c per KWH, so if my battery was stone dead it would take 50 KWH to fill, 50 KWH at 10c per KWH is $5 so the Hotels so far haven’t started charging, yet. But I assume that won’t last, they will start to charge

Edited April 20, 2022 by A64Pilot

[carusoam]

To see the latest in EVs…

I went skiing in VT…

Where parking lots are mostly gravel covered in snow and ice….

There we’re a dozen charging stations on one side of a parking lot… with an assortment Of cars taking a charge…

No fear of environmental hazards of fuel spills… that come with cold locations, and shifting equipment due to deep freezing conditions…

 

-a-