Shortest runway landing

[gregwatts]

Quote: johnggreen

I go with Thinwing. This thread has jumped to unintended issues. He is also correct that to compare a Bravo and a C,D, or F is senseless and usually done by a M20C driver who has never flown a long body. I think we should have a thread about stall behavior of Mooneys because, as this thread has shown, most pilots know little or nothing of the consequences.

Based on an article done by Flying Magazine some years ago, fatal accidents per hours flown in M20J's are twice that of Cessna 172's and 60% greater than Skylanes. Mooneys are not friendly to being mishandled in stalls where a Cessna will in most cases refuse to spin even when the pilot is trying to create the condition.

What started this whole issue with the vidio of the "supposed" spin was the statement that I was not aware of anyone successfully spinning a Mooney (of any Model) since certification. That is when the fake spin video was offered up. I imagine that most opinions given here henceforth are from "pilots" (I use the term loosely) who have never spun an aircraft in their life.

I think it would be a valuable training asset for Mooney instructors/pilots if someone would spin a Mooney and document the behavior, and the altitude lost in a one, two and three turn spin. I will put up $2,500 toward that "experiment" fully knowing that I will probably have no takers. I am not at all sure that a Mooney will recover at all from a three turn spin; but I will pay to the survivors of the pilot who tries and laud his efforts should he succeed.

I won't be duped. I will fly to anyplace within 500 miles of my home base to observe and the spin must be documented by other knowledgeable observers; I will bring along a couple myself. The person taking my challenge will have to also put up $2,500 and should he fail to place the airplane in a full spin for three turns on the appointed day, FOR ANY REASON, he forfeits the money for my trouble. There will be other reasonable conditions imposed such as it must be a stock C, D, F, J, or longbody Mooney, etc. i'm too old and mean to be trifled with by "Peggy" (as on the credit card commercial), but I am dead serious.

Talk is cheap fellows, any takers?

[John Pleisse]

johnggreen

Senior Member

Joined: Sep 11, 2011

Posts: 144

Location: Grenada MS United States

Re: Shortest runway landing

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As to 4352H, I don't understand your legal analysis.  Exactly who do you think would be liable for someone undertaking such a challenge.  Are you a member of the bar?

Check your DENSE-ity altitude, Partner.

[fantom]

One day long ago, when practicing the possible, impossible turn-back at 6,500', with a friend, our nose got a bit to high and the J gently rolled to the left, maybe 135 degrees, two turns  and 1,500' to recover. It was amazing smooth, but not something I'd do on purpose.

Full flaps, about 62 kts, boards out, a little head wind, a bit more braking than usual, flaps up on touch down, and 1,300 ft is very doable in my J. Again, not SOP. Well done, Mike!

[skyking]

2300 is the shortest strip i have had "Miss Mooney " into.

I only land on paved due to the prop clearance.

[201er]

After I topped off to 100 gallons of gas, I took back off the same runway at near gross weight (done it in the summer too).

[MARZ]

Quote: jetdriven

Alright, I 'm heading over to AXH to see if this is possible with a 201. I think  Mike has either an tail hook or a drag chute. 

[Immelman]

1,500'. Used 500' of it*

* landing only

** the wind was howling straight down the runway; a solid 20 knots blowing directly across the other (longer) runway at the airport. I waited for things to calm down before departing on the longer runway at the field.

[dmc]

I'm a little concerned as I'm thinking of buying a Mooney after I get my PPL.  One of the runways at my home field is 75'X2000'.  It's not a problem in the 172 with 40 degree flaps, but even with that I have on occation used quite a bit of runway.  I'm getting better though.

[GaryP1007]

Check out 9B1......1659 feet.....3 miles from my home and none of the planes I have owned or want to own can land me there........HA HA HA!

[xftrplt]

Quote: Mazerbase

I live near Kennedy Space Center with a very long runway for the ex-shuttle but I want to know where you land on a 23,000 ft (4.4 miles) runway!

[GaryP1007]

Quote: 201er

After I topped off to 100 gallons of gas, I took back off the same runway at near gross weight (done it in the summer too).

[N513ZM]

Griswold CT - N04 (now closed) - 1863'

Goodspeed CT - 42B - 2120'

Saluda VA - W75 - 2270'

All in a J

 

 

[mooneysteve]

I have been going into Cranland 28M for years in my C model, 1800 ft., used to be a bit tricky before they removed some trees, never had a go around, always plenty of runway left. Check out some videos on youtube, just google "Cranland airport".