Fry Posted November 6, 2019 Report Posted November 6, 2019 Hi there, I would be interested in collecting 3D models of Mooney-related parts of all kind. As a starter, attached is the Sketchup model, STL print file and photo of a cover I have designed and printed. It is not a Mooney standard part. Its purpose is to cover the emergency gear handle between the front seats so passengers do not accidentally step on and unlock the mechanism. On the top, there is an inlay showing a wheel. On the sides, the old Mooney logo. It fits nicely. Of course, I have painted and finished be part - but since I am really bad with paint, I'm not showing the result :-) Best regards, Fry Emergency Gear Handle Cover.skp Emergency Gear Handle Cover.stl 5
j3gq Posted November 6, 2019 Report Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Fry said: I would be interested in collecting 3D models of Mooney-related parts of all kind. Hi Fry, I have been waiting for sb to say that ! Your cover is a very good example (and I need one too ) of what could be done. But as my knowledge of 3D printing "qualities" is limited, ... what range of properties is within reach ? soft/hard, bridle/flexible, flammable/or not, resistant to battery acid, ... You see what I mean. These properties determine whether other parts (without PMA and part number !!) are of interest. How difficult is it to make the files from scratch ?
Fry Posted November 6, 2019 Author Report Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) The above part is obviously more decorative than functional and thus needs no blessing of the PMA or any other kind. I assume there are more things like that, e.g. switch covers, cup/smartphone/something holders, etc. 3D printed parts can be quite good. The printer I have access to (above) prints carbon fiber doted ABS. The result is lightweight and surprisingly hard. I use Sketchup (in its basic version a free 3D CAD program). Alternatives exist. I did not find it hard to learn at all. Edited November 6, 2019 by Fry
carusoam Posted November 7, 2019 Report Posted November 7, 2019 Over the past few years... We have seen a few 3D printed parts... 1) switch covers on the instrument panel 2) A decorative part for somebody’s interior/roof 3) This fancy E-gear cover 4) Some test articles to print a 3D Mooney model There are a few threads that have covered some details... a search may uncover more parts... MS has some pretty tech savy people... some with good creative minds... and others with some tech, get it done, skills... PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a-
Fry Posted November 7, 2019 Author Report Posted November 7, 2019 would be nice to collect them here... ideally as (editable) CAD-Files, (printable) STL-Files and a photo.
carusoam Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 We have ways to put files into the download section... Makes a pretty good method for sharing files... Organizing the files doesn’t seem to be that good just yet... See if you can load something up as a test case...(?) Best regards, -a-
aviatoreb Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 In the extreme end of 3d printing - how about 3d printed jet engines? https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/ge-prepares-boeing-777x-for-takeoff-with-3d-printed-fan-blades-146566/ but apparently hobbyists are doing that now too. but my favorite 3d printing...3d printed heart valves made out of printing with biological materials. https://www.futurity.org/heart-valves-3d-printing-2112122/ and the promise supposedly is 3d printed replacement parts, like knee cartridge, heart valves - whatever your worn out old body needs. 1
AH-1 Cobra Pilot Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 This is a pretty good table for comparing 3-D printed plastics: https://www.simplify3d.com/support/materials-guide/properties-table/ There are many other things to keep in mind: 1. Anything with a print temperature of 200oC or less is not really suitable for the cockpit, as it will likely warp on a hot day. 2. Chemical resistance varies widely. ABS is dissolved in acetone. PLA is impervious to acetone, but is soluble in MEK. HIPS can be used as support material, which provides a much better print in some cases, and it readily dissolves in limonene, but limonene also affects ABS and maybe some others. 3. The tougher materials are harder to print well. 4. You pay for the performance of materials exponentially. 5. Paint sticks to some materials, but not others. ABS is great, since many spray paints use an acetone base. 6. The above list is only for FFF/FDM printing. DLP/etc. have differing materials, including ceramics, (and are much more expensive). For those of you who had not heard, I had two hard drives crash, so I lost almost all of my stored data, including those for switch covers. I still have a few fully finished covers left, but I will have to recreate STL files to make more. I have my SolidWorks program up-and-running, finally, so I can get back to work on the CAD. Let me know if anyone has ideas for any other unique items. 1 1
carusoam Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 Great input ACP! Sorry to hear about the hard drives... Best regards, -a-
Tyler G Posted February 9, 2022 Report Posted February 9, 2022 On 11/6/2019 at 8:24 PM, carusoam said: Over the past few years... We have seen a few 3D printed parts... 1) switch covers on the instrument panel 2) A decorative part for somebody’s interior/roof 3) This fancy E-gear cover 4) Some test articles to print a 3D Mooney model There are a few threads that have covered some details... a search may uncover more parts... MS has some pretty tech savy people... some with good creative minds... and others with some tech, get it done, skills... PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a- Any chance someone has created a vet air director for the gaping hole Mooney calls cabin heat? 1
hais Posted February 10, 2022 Report Posted February 10, 2022 My tired eyes read "3D printed charts". You can imagine my disappointment when I discovered I'll need to continue to use 2D charts 1
201Steve Posted February 10, 2022 Report Posted February 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Tyler G said: Any chance someone has created a vet air director for the gaping hole Mooney calls cabin heat? Please. This. @AH-1 Cobra Pilot ?! Or better yet, an insert that turns the gaping hole in the cieling into directed air flow.
AH-1 Cobra Pilot Posted February 10, 2022 Report Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) I will take a look at it. Any suggestions? Also there are already two threads for the overhead vents. Overhead vent upgrade project and Edited February 10, 2022 by AH-1 Cobra Pilot
philip_g Posted February 10, 2022 Report Posted February 10, 2022 15 hours ago, 201Steve said: Please. This. @AH-1 Cobra Pilot ?! Or better yet, an insert that turns the gaping hole in the cieling into directed air flow. The vent cover is beyond my design abilities but I could print in abs if someone designs it
carusoam Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 10:16 PM, 201Steve said: Please. This. @AH-1 Cobra Pilot ?! Or better yet, an insert that turns the gaping hole in the cieling into directed air flow. Be on the look out for the most recent thread… Where an MSer has plugged the gaping hole, and replaced it with a nicely aimed box to mount an eyeball vent…. X 4. It is still under development… not done yet. This can upgrade your airflow devices to a level better than the latest Ovations…. PP thoughts only… -a- 1
M20Kid Posted Wednesday at 11:17 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 11:17 PM Just bumping this thread. I need an overhead cover for my M20K and I don't have the tech skills to create it. I have a printer available if someone could design the part I need. I found software that you can just take multiple photos of the panel and it will make the file, but I haven't been able to even get that to install. Really, I am pretty tech savvy most of the time. Any suggestions for someone new to 3D printing?
Flyler Posted Wednesday at 11:23 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 11:23 PM On 11/8/2019 at 10:45 AM, AH-1 Cobra Pilot said: This is a pretty good table for comparing 3-D printed plastics: https://www.simplify3d.com/support/materials-guide/properties-table/ There are many other things to keep in mind: 1. Anything with a print temperature of 200oC or less is not really suitable for the cockpit, as it will likely warp on a hot day. 2. Chemical resistance varies widely. ABS is dissolved in acetone. PLA is impervious to acetone, but is soluble in MEK. HIPS can be used as support material, which provides a much better print in some cases, and it readily dissolves in limonene, but limonene also affects ABS and maybe some others. 3. The tougher materials are harder to print well. 4. You pay for the performance of materials exponentially. 5. Paint sticks to some materials, but not others. ABS is great, since many spray paints use an acetone base. 6. The above list is only for FFF/FDM printing. DLP/etc. have differing materials, including ceramics, (and are much more expensive). For those of you who had not heard, I had two hard drives crash, so I lost almost all of my stored data, including those for switch covers. I still have a few fully finished covers left, but I will have to recreate STL files to make more. I have my SolidWorks program up-and-running, finally, so I can get back to work on the CAD. Let me know if anyone has ideas for any other unique items. What switch covers are we talking about? I just reverse engineered one from my 201. Happy to share... Just need to do one more test fit.
LANCECASPER Posted Thursday at 12:36 AM Report Posted Thursday at 12:36 AM 1 hour ago, M20Kid said: Just bumping this thread. I need an overhead cover for my M20K and I don't have the tech skills to create it. I have a printer available if someone could design the part I need. I found software that you can just take multiple photos of the panel and it will make the file, but I haven't been able to even get that to install. Really, I am pretty tech savvy most of the time. Any suggestions for someone new to 3D printing? Talk to @AH-1 Cobra Pilot he's already mastered it
Marc_B Posted Thursday at 03:41 AM Report Posted Thursday at 03:41 AM @M20Kid if you’re talking about the overhead electroluminescent panel if you have overhead light switches, this can be repaired by either Air Capitol Dial or Nimbus Aviation. If it’s warped and not working they can make it new with a new internal lamp. The overhead light switches should light up with your panel lighting rotary switch.
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