isaacpr7 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 After completing the annual inspection I put the panels back together in order to crank the aircraft for a warmup. When I pulled the throttle back and forth to pump it a few times the throttle cable broke right off. I tried searching for a new one from Spruce but they do not sell one for the Mooney. LASAR caries them but they are around 350 dollars. Modworks sells them for about 500. Does anyone have a lead for a source that sells them a bit cheaper? Also, while searching for the cable I came across a SB that describes what happened to my cable and calls out for a replacement kit; however, I could not find it anywhere for sale. Quote
MB65E Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 I paid $525 for mine a few years ago! I'd grab one from lasar!! The gear warning switch is rigged to the cockpit portion vs the engine portion unlike most aircraft. McFairline may be able to replace it if you ship the old one to them. Good Company that understands what owners are after... -Matt 1 Quote
KSMooniac Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Definitely send the old one to McFarlane and have them make a new one. It will be the least expensive option, and you'll end up with exactly the same product that you might buy from LASAR or Mooney... hint hint. Quote
N601RX Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 I had to buy a new one about 3 months ago. Maxwell was only $16 more than McFarland and he shipped it to me the same day. After I would have paid to shipped the old one back to McFarland, they would have been within a couple of $ of each other. If the C bolts into the sump like the F it is difficult to remove and replace the bolts due to muffler clearance. 2 Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 How much did you pay Mike? Quote
N601RX Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 I'll have to check tomorrow when I get to work. If I remember correctly it was $386 for the F model. Also go ahead and put a real rod end on the end of the cable if it still has the ball on a stud type end. 1 Quote
Hank Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 I'll second replacing the throttle end connection. Just replaced mine during annual, hoping to finish on Sat. The connection was bad, corroded and wobbly. Sure glad it didn't give way in flight. Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 I'm trying to remove the clamp closest to the rod end (I have the rod) as we speak and it is a true PIA. I think they build the aircraft around it. Quote
ryoder Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Scary. Makes me want to replace all three cables. Glad you found it on the ground. Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 The funny part is that while searching for the part online, I came across a SB requiring the replacement of all three cables because they break off like mine did. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Replace the end connector with the loop style. The original slot style tends to bind up. Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 What is the SB number? SB M20-174 Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 Here's the perpetrator. Removing it was probably one of the hardest thing I've had to work on this aircraft. Quote
furledd Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 There is a used throttle cable for an M20E on ebay for $60 or best offer right now - better bid! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mooney-M20E-Throttle-Cable-/141549254194?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item20f4fe3632&vxp=mtr There also was a throttle swivel joint for the end probably related to that SB that was on ebay forever but finally sold for $48... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mooney-M20-Throttle-Swivel-Joint-P-n-66051-005-New-Original-Kit-/131324873971?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item1e93928cf3&vxp=mtr&nma=true&si=0JrLQxa8pPV8ImRRsAuZ3RurrNY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 There is a used throttle cable for an M20E on ebay for $60 or best offer right now - better bid! There also was a throttle swivel joint for the end probably related to that SB that was on ebay forever but finally sold for $48... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mooney-M20-Throttle-Swivel-Joint-P-n-66051-005-New-Original-Kit-/131324873971?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item1e93928cf3&vxp=mtr&nma=true&si=0JrLQxa8pPV8ImRRsAuZ3RurrNY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Thanks for the lead bud; however, after the scare I had when I pulled the throttle out of the socket, I think I will stick with something new 2 Quote
N601RX Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 Here are the prices from Maxwell and McFarlane for a F model throttle cable. The difference was $11.80 which would not even cover the shipping to send the old one back to McFarlane for duplication. There may have been a time a few years ago when Mooney was in hibernation that the McFarlane option was the best way to go, but that doesn't seen to be the case now. From: Don MaxwellSent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 3:49 PMTo: Armstead, MichaelSubject: RE: Throttle cable for 67F I have one in stock, $386.80 Hi Mike, The cost to manufacture the control is $375.00. The lead time is 2-3 days. It will not be FAA-PMA approved; you will be responsible for obtaining the appropriate approvals. We do provide a job order that lists the materials and inspections to aid in the approval process. Can you send in your control with a signed statement requesting us to duplicate the control? If you need anything else do not hesitate to ask. Regards, Tim Paine McFarlane Aviation Products 1 Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 Here are the prices from Maxwell and McFarlane for a F model throttle cable. The difference was $11.80 which would not even cover the shipping to send the old one back to McFarlane for duplication. From: Don Maxwell Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 3:49 PM To: Armstead, Michael Subject: RE: Throttle cable for 67F I have one in stock, $386.80 Hi Mike, The cost to manufacture the control is $375.00. The lead time is 2-3 days. It will not be FAA-PMA approved; you will be responsible for obtaining the appropriate approvals. We do provide a job order that lists the materials and inspections to aid in the approval process. Can you send in your control with a signed statement requesting us to duplicate the control? If you need anything else do not hesitate to ask. Regards, Tim Paine McFarlane Aviation Products Thanks a bunch Mike. I will give Don Maxwell a call this morning as you suggested. Someone at LASAR fave me a quote of 340 yesterday morning and when I called in the evening another person quoted 536. I think the one in the morning was looking at the wrong part. I'm so scared after pulling the thing right off that I'm thinking of replacing the prop cable while everything is disassembled just to make sure the SB has been complied with and not just fat penciled in the books. Quote
N601RX Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 I think McFarland does sell one of the cables either prop or mixture as a PMA product so you may want to check with them on that cable if your changing all 3 of them. I would be more concerned with the mixture cable than prop cable. If prop cable breaks the spring will pull it to fine pitch. 1 Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 I think McFarland does sell one of the cables either prop or mixture as a PMA product so you may want to check with them on that cable if your changing all 3 of them. I would be more concerned with the mixture cable than prop cable. If prop cable breaks the spring will pull it to fine pitch. I just checked McFarlane and they have the mixture for 162. Mine looks pretty new but I think I will replace it anyways. It will be 162 dollars worth for peace of mind. Quote
slowflyin Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 I'm thinking I should give my cable some extra inspection time. Nice that this happened on the ground. Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 I'm thinking I should give my cable some extra inspection time. Nice that this happened on the ground.The thing is that you can't see where it brakes because it happens inside, right where the throttle control rod ends and the cable begins inside the cockpit. Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 I just got off the phone with the following companies: Spruce: Does not carry the part as per the SB LASAR: 540 for the throttle; prop is 376 Maxwell: Prop 570; throttle 485 Southwest Texas Aviation: Prop 368; throttle 332 (10 day lead time because they order it straight from Mooney who is right down the street. He said mooney has the cables made by McFarlane but since it goes through Mooney they will be FAA-PMA approved) I spoke directly with the owner (Russell) who was very helpful. Company number is 800-749-7982. I didn't need to buy the mixture control cable because the SB only requires it for the E and F model. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=U5nTVKvWF4-MyASY9IKoBA&url=http://www.mooney.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/sbm20-174.pdf&ved=0CC4QFjAD&usg=AFQjCNFP3T-p43eypGG5hj_uEc1wok6IFw&sig2=FYE_dh9_VGAuMlFEj5M-tw Quote
N601RX Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 The part I ordered from Maxwell was actually shipped from Direct from Mooney on the same day I ordered it. Quote
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Posted February 5, 2015 The part I ordered from Maxwell was actually shipped from Direct from Mooney on the same day I ordered it. They must be in demand this season because they are quoting 485 as of today Quote
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