ArtVandelay Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Playing with it today, if I hit direct-to on the 650, it will populate it to the iPad but the reverse is not true.
donkaye, MCFI Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Playing with it today, if I hit direct-to on the 650, it will populate it to the iPad but the reverse is not true. If you are transferring to a certified unit you have to actively make the transfer. This is shown in a Garmin Video.
ArtVandelay Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 If you are transferring to a certified unit you have to actively make the transfer. This is shown in a Garmin Video. It really be nice to have some documentation, I'm not sure what video you are talking about?
Greg_D Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 I think I am totally disconnected on this subject of "Connectivity". But what is wrong on having your flight plan written on a piece of paper? If I had a GTN-750 why would I need an Ipad?. After all the first waypoints on your FLP are going to be different when you get the clearance. I have a GNS 530W and never had any problems with FLP entry, SIDs, STARS and approaches. I don't even have a tablet, just a smartphone and small notebook. The small notebook and the pencil is $3 at Office Depot. I am waiting for Garmin's telepathic connectivity. José There are lots of reasons. The iPad offers functionality that the GTN series doesn't have. Keeping them connected allows you to keep any changes made on one device quickly synched with the other without twisting a bunch of knobs. I prefer the user interface on the iPad. You can make the changes there and see how they look. If you don't like what you see, you can quickly revert to the previous plan. If you like, just tap a couple of buttons and you are done. One way to think of it is that the iPad becomes a big electronic scratch pad. Additionally, most folks plan their flights long before they get into the cockpit. Since panel mounted avionics aren't made to be removed from the airplane over and over, the iPad is used to plan flights. Once planned and cleared, with BT connectivity, you don't have to replicate all that work to get the flight plan into the panel mounted unit.
Andy95W Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 I find the scribble pad option on the Ipad useless and still have a kneeboard for that task. Is it overkill? You bet!, but I like the gadgets. +1 But is a kneeboard technically a "gadget" in this day and age? 1
ArtVandelay Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 The scribble pad is tough if you use your fingers, they have special "pens" that work with touch interfaces
donkaye, MCFI Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 It really be nice to have some documentation, I'm not sure what video you are talking about? It's here:
GeorgePerry Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 Took a 9+ hour X/C after getting my plane finished with an avionics upgrade. GDL88 paired with a FS 210 and GNS 430W working in conjunction with the Garmin Pilot app on an iPad. Lots of time to experiment and find out all the things I like and don't like. First, I'll say the thing I absolutely LOVE is when I file IFR, the Garmin Pilot App lets me know what the proposed ATC routing is going to be before I called clearance. When the proposed ATC routing alert pops up on the Garmin pilot app, I hit accept and then xfer the entire ATC route into the 430 - Simple, quick and easy! It only takes two button pushes on the iPad to transfer an entire ATC IFR route on two additional button pushes on the 430 to accept the transfer and activate the flight plan. WOW!!! This was soooo nice compared to entering in waypoint after waypoint in the 430 when given Victor Airway routing. Also another feature I really liked was any changes made to the route in the 430 transfer back to the iPad automatically. All that's required is to verifying the change on the iPad. No more updating two separate systems. Do it once and bam! it's done... The things the 430 isn't good at are displaying traffic and WX. The screen is just to small and the resolution is poor. The 430 works, but the display isn't great. Having the FS210 pumping GDL88 derived weather and traffic information to the iPad display was just phenomenal. Also bluetooth the iPad to a headset and I get oral traffic and terrain warnings. It's about as integrated as a 90's vintage 6 pack panel can be without spending 6 figures. I did have a couple of GDL88 hiccups but the box worked 99% of the time and faults usually resolved themselves within a few seconds. So bottom line is the FS210 paired with a GDL88 and Garmin Pilot app is really good bang for the buck.
Cruiser Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 thanks George, nice report. curious to know what the dial is just above the panel lights?
ArtVandelay Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 I had a problem during the test flight with the avionics guy, the Flightstream Bluetooth connection was made, but got no data, we had to reset the 210, so far that is only hiccup I've seen in 3 flights
Oscar Avalle Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 I am using the IPAD for flight planning. I pick up the clearance on the ground modify the routing and then transfer the flight plan into the GTN750. It is also nice to have a second display to look at weather without changing the navpage on the 750. On the GDL88, there is an annoying message I get on the 750 once I start up the unit which says that it is not getting an input from the transponder... which is true because the transponder is in standby mode. Otherwise, great. It is fun to see some commercial airliners flying way above me...
Marauder Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 I am using the IPAD for flight planning. I pick up the clearance on the ground modify the routing and then transfer the flight plan into the GTN750. It is also nice to have a second display to look at weather without changing the navpage on the 750. On the GDL88, there is an annoying message I get on the 750 once I start up the unit which says that it is not getting an input from the transponder... which is true because the transponder is in standby mode. Otherwise, great. It is fun to see some commercial airliners flying way above me... I'm glad you posted this Oscar. I was wondering about how you used the combination. My experience with the 650 has been that I use it pretty exclusively for navigation and the Aspen MFD and iPad do the lion share of weather and situational awareness for a flight. Once the approach has been loaded on the GTN, I move back to the Aspens because everything for navigation is there.
Oscar Avalle Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 Marauder Indeed, I am still working on how to use the 750, 430, 795 and ipad. Flight planning: mainly on the ipad. Then I call clearance and get my clearance which I modify on the Ipad. Starting: I don't use an electronic checklist... still my old paper one. Once I start the plane I transfer the flight plan from the Ipad to the 750. If I leave IFR I will need to program the SID from the 750 database. On the 430 I dial in the traffic or storm scope page (depending on the circunstances and weather). On the Ipad I load the SID as a backup from jeppview. In route: I navigation mainly through 750. If there is a change in routing I still prefer to do it on the 750. (but I envisage myself working more with the ipad in the future). I use the 430 for traffic and stormscope (very simple displays and easy to interpret). Approach: I load the approach plate from Jeppview onto the ipad and the 750. Brief myself and keep it on the ipad unti the approach plate comes up on the 750, then I change the ipad to GP for navigation. Meanwhile the 795 is there as a back up. Oscar
Marauder Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 Marauder Indeed, I am still working on how to use the 750, 430, 795 and ipad. Flight planning: mainly on the ipad. Then I call clearance and get my clearance which I modify on the Ipad. Starting: I don't use an electronic checklist... still my old paper one. Once I start the plane I transfer the flight plan from the Ipad to the 750. If I leave IFR I will need to program the SID from the 750 database. On the 430 I dial in the traffic or storm scope page (depending on the circunstances and weather). On the Ipad I load the SID as a backup from jeppview. In route: I navigation mainly through 750. If there is a change in routing I still prefer to do it on the 750. (but I envisage myself working more with the ipad in the future). I use the 430 for traffic and stormscope (very simple displays and easy to interpret). Approach: I load the approach plate from Jeppview onto the ipad and the 750. Brief myself and keep it on the ipad unti the approach plate comes up on the 750, then I change the ipad to GP for navigation. Meanwhile the 795 is there as a back up. Oscar I forgot you had the 430. Does the flight plan loading from the iPad go to both units or do you load to the 750 (or 430) and then crossfill? Love the redundancy!
Bob_Belville Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 On the GDL88, there is an annoying message I get on the 750 once I start up the unit which says that it is not getting an input from the transponder... which is true because the transponder is in standby mode. Otherwise, great. It is fun to see some commercial airliners flying way above me... Oscar, there is a recent software upgrade for the 750 that includes removal of the annoying messages we get at start up. Service Bulletin SB 1466 Rev B - GTN 6XX7XX Software Upgrade to Main Software Version 5.13 1
Oscar Avalle Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 I did the upgrade, but the messages still come up.
NotarPilot Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 I'd like to add that I recently had the Garmin Flight Stream 210 installed in my plane and I LOVE it! I really like the AHRS feature with synthetic vision on the iPad, running Garmin Pilot. I also like the ability to upload my flight plan into my GNS 430W without having to twist a single knob anymore. Further, I can make a flight plan using my own waypoints, upload those into the GPS and let the autopilot fly me around with my GPS steering, pretty much hands off. I know, I know, I probably won't do this much but I like the fact that it can be done. Next scenic flight with friends or family, I do I might do this. Make a flight plan and have the plane fly the route after I take off. I would also like to say I was thoroughly impressed with the shop I chose to do the installation. I took it to Jeff at High Desert Avionics in Lancaster, CA and he did a great job. Even did the job for me in one day since leaving the plane overnight was not feasible for me. He finished the job and patiently went through the unit's operation with me til we figured out how to work it. I didn't head home until about 7pm. Jeff is a great guy and definitely knows his fecal matter when it comes to Avionics. I can't say enough about this shop. 2
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