bhilgy Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Inspired by some of the recent Aspen questions to share my own decision and process: I purchased my M20J MSE in April knowing that the AI was on a short leash with over 2200 hours on the original. I bought it "right" knowing that I would be upgrading to Aspen or equivalent. I did some additional research and most advice pointed me to the Aspen as the most cost effective option, given that I was committed to my existing 530 for GPS/Comm,etc. and my combination of Stratus/iPad and yoke mounted Garmin 496 with XM Weather for dual weather sources. I booked my install for September on August 21st and took off for a long cross country with a buddy on August 22nd. 40 minutes into our 4 hour flight the AI went out! How's that for timing! Hand flew our trip there and back and stayed VMC! We'll she's been in the shop for a couple weeks now and I'm told she'll be ready by next Wednesday or so. The whole process will have taken just over 3 weeks. Here's some details on my decisions and changes: Evolution PFD1000 EA100 for Roll Steering (I had roll steering slaved to 530 and love shooting approaches with the sett-up...only simplified through PFD!) Wanted flush mounting so cutting a new panel allowing me to also move the Engine monitor to the ADF location Installed Fuel flow to the JPI and connecting to 530 Hard wiring the 496 to the 530 (couldn't do it without taking out the 530) Attaching some progress pictures.....seeing her torn down is like getting a picture of your open heart surgery (I assume!).....Eeek! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Dunn Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Looks like your shop is doing some good work! I my customers always love the "in progress" pictures. Until they see them and have a heart attack! Haha! Good choice for your panel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Looks like your shop is doing some good work! I my customers always love the "in progress" pictures. Until they see them and have a heart attack! Haha! Good choice for your panel. Like what your shop did to my Mooney Bill? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Dunn Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Haha! Exactly!! I sent you an email get back to me when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 That was harsh Chris.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Haha! Exactly!! I sent you an email get back to me when you can. I couldn't bear to look at the pics of my aluminum mistress all gutted back in 2005 when I did a panelectomy. I destroyed them hoping the memory of it would vanish. I was sure she would never fly again after I received the pics, but fortunately, Tim Matheson is a wizard and really did a fantastic install. Everything was perfect from the get go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhilgy Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Today's progress.....making me feel a lot better!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I love to share this scary sequence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhilgy Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 That's awesome Bob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I love to share this scary sequence. My scary sequence is when I look at photos of myself from age 20 to today... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I just tried to find a pic of my carnage from earlier this summer, but they're at home on the camera and not on my phone. I had EVERYTHING between the bottom of my panel and the floor removed... as in big gaping hole with the nose gear visible from inside the cabin. It's been fun... or at least I keep telling myself that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Dunn Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 You should hear the customers I've had that had such bad wiring that I had to remove and replace most of it.... They get a picture of 50ft of wire on the ground.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Bill, I've got a salvage '81 J that I've been dismantling... I cannot believe the amount of wiring involved in our little planes. This one had a KFC 200, KCS 55, KI256 system in it, and some huge wire bundles running down the left side as you're fully aware. I bet the harness weighs 30-40 lbs. I haven't extricated the entire thing yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Dunn Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 It can get really crazy after 3-4 decades of lazy installs where they lay the new wires in and don't remove the old ones as they go! (my biggest pet peeve) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhilgy Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 New panel in flight. Only issue yet to resolve is the KAP150 is not capturing glideslope on any approach. Blows right through it. Heading back to shop for additional software from Aspen on Monday and hoping it isn't a AP issue. Anyone have experience or suggestions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 IMG_1731.jpgNew panel in flight. Only issue yet to resolve is the KAP150 is not capturing glideslope on any approach. Blows right through it. Heading back to shop for additional software from Aspen on Monday and hoping it isn't a AP issue. Anyone have experience or suggestions?? Does it capture GS on NAV2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhilgy Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Great Question, PTK. We actually tried it from the box signal simulator at the shop and couldn't get that to work either but haven't tried from flight....I'm concerned it's an AP issue that's going to cost some $$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I assume NAV1 and 2 captured GS fine prior to your install? If so my gut tells me it's probably something goofy with the Aspen and/or installation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Dunn Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 It's your install most likely. There are only a few connections between the aspen and autopilot. If your NAV/COM is capturing GS and displaying correctly on the Aspen then if it is hooked up your autopilot should be getting the info. Your avionics shop should be able to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhilgy Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 You were correct, Bill! The shop took a look at it appears that the digital to analog converter (EA-100) isn't working properly. Aspen is shipping a new one out. On another note, I was getting intermittent porpoising out of the autopilot....new after the Aspen install. This is a known issue to Aspen and they call it "Yoke Bump". A software upgrade appears to have eliminated the problem. Curious if any other Aspen owners have experienced this. Including a picture of my new Aspen recording an awesome tailwind and 206kts ground in cruise!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 You were correct, Bill! The shop took a look at it appears that the digital to analog converter (EA-100) isn't working properly. Aspen is shipping a new one out. On another note, I was getting intermittent porpoising out of the autopilot....new after the Aspen install. This is a known issue to Aspen and they call it "Yoke Bump". This doesn't surprise me one iota! Aspen has lots of experience shipping out boxes to replace broken ones. They do it often. What do they call their pfd going blank? "Red X blanky" ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhilgy Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 PTK, you're making me nervous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 PTK, you're making me nervous! Don't be. His nickname is Peter Garmin for incessant Garmin-pumping and Aspen-bashing. (of course he won't acknowledge that just a few short years ago he called the Garmin GNS boxes the worst things ever. ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Now Scott, that was a major foul! That is not my nickname. That's contrived by Chris. It's a figment of his imagination. I never called the GNS "the worst thing ever" as I never said that about Aspen! It is Chris who was complaining about Garmin not too long ago! I own the GTN and has been flawless. Fact is I know and have heard of more people with Aspen issues than any other piece of avionics. Anyone can call avionics shops and ask their opinions. Aspens are good capable boxes. There are just a lot more instances of them breaking down, that's all. Nothing against Aspen or pro Garmin about that! I was just asking what name they have for blank screens since they have "yoke bump" when the EA-100 breaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 PTK, you used to bash the ever-lovin' crap out of the 430/530 series boxes, and to a lesser extent Garmin, until you decided to jump in with your panel upgrade and now Garmin can do no wrong! I just want to point out to newer readers here that you had a "conversion" in the last couple of years, and that it might taint your view of companies not named Garmin. That is the only reason I posted. (I tried to search the archives here, but the great crash of 2012 seems to have wiped out your pre-upgrade posts so I cannot quote an example unfortunately) FWIW, I'm concerned about the number of Aspen failures I read about as that is penciled-in as my next big upgrade for 2015. Equally concerning is the lack of replacement units on the shelf to support AOG owners! They need to take care of that yesterday, and work on the MTBF issues. Honestly, I'd rather have a G3 but our benevolent gov't won't allow it currently. I do not want a G500 at all. Garmin needs some real competition. A lot of us are torn between supporting such competitors to keep the marketplace innovative and value-conscious, and going with the "safe" choice. And this is from an owner with a GMA-340, GNS-530W, GNS-430W, and GTX-330ES currently installed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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