RonM2OC Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Bringing an M20a back to life after setting in a hanger over 12 years. Have several extra pieces that we have not discovered it true place within the plane yet. Need what ever manuals, POH, service docs, and/or parts documentation we can borrow that is out there. We can scan hardcopies. Will post a pic or 2 next week of this wooden classic. THANKS 1 Quote
kerry Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 I have the service and maintenance manual. If you PM me your address I can copy it and mail it to you if needed. The mooney wood wing yahoo group is also a good resource. Quote
Hank Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Try the Vintage Mooney Group, too. I was able to obtain all of the books for my C from them on one convenient [mostly empty] CD-ROM at a good CB price. Quote
cliffy Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Just curious, does it still have a wood tail? If so you might have some AD issues. Wood wing, could be fun to work with. A classic like an old Bellanca! 1 Quote
Hank Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 You may want to look up Dave Morris. He's on the MAPA lists a lot, he has an M20A wood wing, 1960 model. Quote
DaV8or Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Just curious, does it still have a wood tail? If so you might have some AD issues. Wood wing, could be fun to work with. A classic like an old Bellanca! If it has only been in storage for the last 12 years, it does not have a wooden tail. I have been told that such a thing doesn't exist anymore and they were all changed out decades ago. I guess if you found an M20, or M20A that has been in storage for 50+ years, that might be possible. Quote
ahe Posted April 8, 2014 Report Posted April 8, 2014 Ours M20A (Europe) is still with wood tail. Lighter than the metal tail. There is some extra checks through. In many ways a very good airplane, a bit faster than the C and with no "wet tanks" problem etc. The wing tanks has less capasity than the C, but most A have an AUX tank, which makes the total capacity 48 galleons. At 120kt in fl 95 it uses around 6.7 gph - i have used it for 700nm and still with reserve. I have attached the POH and mainteance manual - like many other POH from thos years the POH is wildly optimistic regarding speed etc. Best Regards M20A_Maintenance_manual.pdf POH1175(1).pdf 2 Quote
DaV8or Posted April 8, 2014 Report Posted April 8, 2014 Ours M20A (Europe) is still with wood tail. Lighter than the metal tail. There is some extra checks through. Wow! I would love to see some photos of your plane. I have never seen the wood tail. I've seen the wood wings, but never the tail. Since the wood tail is lighter, I wonder what needed to be done for weight and balance when they did the metal conversion? Quote
HRM Posted April 9, 2014 Report Posted April 9, 2014 Ours M20A (Europe) is still with wood tail. Lighter than the metal tail. There is some extra checks through. In many ways a very good airplane, a bit faster than the C and with no "wet tanks" problem etc. The wing tanks has less capasity than the C, but most A have an AUX tank, which makes the total capacity 48 galleons. At 120kt in fl 95 it uses around 6.7 gph - i have used it for 700nm and still with reserve. I have attached the POH and mainteance manual - like many other POH from thos years the POH is wildly optimistic regarding speed etc. Best Regards Thank you very much. I really enjoyed looking through the POH, particularly the cover page photo--is that Bill Wheat? Would you mind posting a photo or two of the wooden tail? Quote
ahe Posted April 19, 2014 Report Posted April 19, 2014 There is some pictures here https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerseyaviationimages/8921396703/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/chris0099/9659025122/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/77175657@N00/9624654474/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/15110856@N02/10055464893/ Some older pictures here http://oy-reg.dk/register/253.html Our plane is from 59, same year as this ad :-) http://www.davemorris.com/Photos/Mooney%20Interesting/Ad-BigPleasure.jpg Regarding w&b - our plane is quite nose heavy and once actually had a lead block in the tail. If we changed the tail, the weight and balance would be ok without any other changes. We have looked at another tail, but well - the old one is working fine, so we did not go any further with it. Like most airplanes in Europe it has been in hangar all 55 years - i suspect the tail problems was mostly from planes which lived outside year around. Best Regards Best Regards Quote
DaV8or Posted April 19, 2014 Report Posted April 19, 2014 Thanks for the pictures! I enjoyed looking at all the other pictures as well. Fun to look at what a European fly in looks like! I can't tell from your pictures, but are the tail's control surfaces (rudder/elevators) made of metal? 1 Quote
ahe Posted April 19, 2014 Report Posted April 19, 2014 The tails control are wood and fabric. The flickr search seems to works now, notice the last picture https://www.flickr.com/search?sort=relevance&text=oy-adr We had a small leak in an oil breather hose. Quote
carusoam Posted April 21, 2014 Report Posted April 21, 2014 So many kitten pictures, ipad1 crashes. Never gets to see last picture... Best regards, -a- Quote
Hank Posted April 21, 2014 Report Posted April 21, 2014 When I saw a gazillion kitten pictures on my mini, I closed the window. Lots of neat Euro-fly-in photos and some unusual planes! Quote
carusoam Posted April 21, 2014 Report Posted April 21, 2014 From the visible pictures in the older thread.... The name plates were interesting. Some with lightly oxidized rivets. Others, very oxidized rivets. The Robin used screws. Some were very rusty screws. Very interesting cross section of GA in Europe. Thanks for sharing. Hold the kittens, -a- Quote
ahe Posted April 21, 2014 Report Posted April 21, 2014 The Flickr links does not show any kittens here, only the plane - anyway - here is the pictures linked directly Plate https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerseyaviationimages/8921387693 Possibly some one many years ago decided to remove the nameplate before painting, but only drilled one out - and then decided it was not worth the effort :-) Oil Leak https://www.flickr.com/photos/88953448@N05/10594813155 Best Regards Quote
Swiss_Cheese Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 Hi all, Any idea where I can find takeoff performance tables for the M20A? I didn't find any in the POH1175(1).pdf attached (found in an above post) Many thanks if you can help me See you, happy landings! POH1175(1).pdf Quote
Hank Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 What a lovely booklet! You can search the Downloads section for other Owners Manuals and see what they say. My own is posted there, for a 1970 C model; your A will be slightly different. There may be one from a B model that would be closer to your actual performance. Quote
Swiss_Cheese Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 Hi Hank, Thanks a lot, it's a very good start, since it's the same engine, a little heavier, it's conservative. I'll start with that. I hope still I can find the takeoff performance tables for the M20A, just to compare. Cheers! Quote
carusoam Posted November 12, 2015 Report Posted November 12, 2015 I had good luck calling the factory for the same reason... 1) the document you want doesn't exist. Owners manual instead of a real POH. (Required by the FAA) 2) the document you can use is probably a POH from a later C. The POH is a newer technology than 1965. Get both. Get the factory to tell you which is most representative of your plane. 3) compare your actual data by using a portable WAAS GPS and an app called CloudAhoy. Get reliable data, compare it to your actual plane. Verify that the data represents your plane before using it. It is really cool when you have data that you can use without having to multiply by 2X. Best regards, -a- Quote
Hank Posted November 12, 2015 Report Posted November 12, 2015 The most recent M20C Owners Manual was for the 76 or 77 model year. Some people here have one, there may be one posted in Documents. It still doesn't have the same detail from the Cessna 172 POH that I trained in as a student. But it is quite functional, and provides a wealth of information. Quote
Steve Smith Posted September 11, 2020 Report Posted September 11, 2020 On 4/7/2014 at 11:46 PM, ahe said: Hi I just took ownership of a 20A and would like to get a copy of the manuals if possible.. Ours M20A (Europe) is still with wood tail. Lighter than the metal tail. There is some extra checks through. In many ways a very good airplane, a bit faster than the C and with no "wet tanks" problem etc. The wing tanks has less capasity than the C, but most A have an AUX tank, which makes the total capacity 48 galleons. At 120kt in fl 95 it uses around 6.7 gph - i have used it for 700nm and still with reserve. I have attached the POH and mainteance manual - like many other POH from thos years the POH is wildly optimistic regarding speed etc. Best Regards M20A_Maintenance_manual.pdf POH1175(1).pdf Quote
Guest Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Steve Smith said: Are you looking for manuals as well? Clarence Quote
carusoam Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 Welcome aboard Steve. Best regards, -a- Quote
Steve Smith Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 Thank you, very excited to get this girl home. 1 Quote
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