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There are many who say if you can't pay cash for the plane you shouldn't buy it. That's fine, but if you think in those terms, eg how much per month will it cost me to get the money to buy this or that plane it helps. If for example it costs $200 a month to buy a much newer plane with the right electronics, paint, engine, fuel tank condition, shock disks and all the other little things sorted out, I think you would be way better off to spend the $200 and have the new plane than the one you are going to have to bring up to speed. I learned this looking at a low priced eagle with nice electronics, but the fuel tanks and paint were not so nice so I passed after a limited inspection with my mechanic. Also, give some thought to an initial and ongoing training plan. Unless you are lucky and have someone experienced nearby either you or the instructor will need to travel. I added my instructor into my w+b calculations figuring that I would need to take him with me on any long trip until I had the experience I needed. I was planning for 3 people total including the instructor so the mooney worked. If I had 4 plus an instructor, it would be an A36 or other 6 place single. That was how I looked at it.

Looks like it should remain a parts business for the foreseeable future. On the bright side at least from a business case perspective, they proved that they can't sell the current model against new cirrus and their own high quality used options. I feel bad for the employees.

Over on beech talk there is a long thread about tks and corrosion - anyone with tks on their Mooney have any issues in this regard? https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=104984

there has to be a young person a the airport with some spare time and and iphone that you could pay $50 to photograph them for you. perhaps he would agree to that.

From my inexperience... use the rental and flying club rates as your base line for your model. You might ask this group - what are their experiences with engine issues, overhauls etc, new electronics costs, autopilots, paint, interior and everyone's best buddy corrosion, and a tank leaks just for yucks.

this looks like it may help you. https://preciseflight.s3.amazonaws.com/doc/106NMAN0001A.pdf?Signature=aQL1SUvpp0g0jBA3b0G8pTlG82A%3D&Expires=1545589047&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIQJHHF2UOD3ZQP7Q

I don't agree with Jetdrivens style of response, but I do see his point. This is the same argument style as rain-x. If someone as an ounce of bull crap in them, it's hard to tell what is the truth. That is the hard part because obviously this person has a huge knowledge base. There was a thread about these drains a while ago and it generated similar feedback.

So hey all - this thread just sucks. Brings the Mooney community down - Mr Jose is has control of the yoke I'm afraid.

How can these shit clamps pass an annual inspection. I'd hate to be trusting my life to one of those worm gear based clamps.

I'm guessing you could achieve the same ridges with a vinyl wrap - why not try a wrap in similar configuration on a friends plane. Do some pre and post speed tests. Should be an easy theory to prove/disprove. I wouldn't touch the paint until I proved it was causing the issue - my 2 cents - best of luck.

anyone have a link to the original accident thread?

Quality data? The only samples you have are your own results. From that you could say, if I sold your plane here's what it was worth and if that is the type of guide you are producing then I think you do have quality data. If you are trying to extrapolate your results to the general market I don't think your data would be considered quality for that purpose.

yes there is junk there but there have been some quality aircraft sold - recently a clean low time eagle sold there for example. I remember the bravo you are referring too so yes there can be ones to stay away from. List it there and set your reserve to your ask price - that should give you a very good estimate of market value. just look at the listings on controller - most sit forever 12 months or more - its hard to find a buyer for these planes - value is really what the buyer in front of you is willing to pay for it - or you wait for the next one to come around. This is my problem with a value guide - these transactions are mostly on a personal level - not like say buying a 2016 suburban from a car dealer for example.

Well - I think its a better estimate of value than vref or other options - basically its saying this is what the buyers here are willing to pay for the airframe - kind of wholesale pricing if you will.

Well your position is to produce a guide correct? When there are many things of like type and configuration trading frequently a guide makes sense. Trying to apply this strategy to an incredibly small market makes no sense at all - IMHO. Too little pricing data available and too few sales to have any confidence in the value. In addition it takes a willing buyer and willing seller to make a transaction happen - many things on both sides of the deal come into play for these one off sales. Life events for example - loss of medical... may make a seller more willing to trade out of the plane at a lower price than a actively flying pilot who is looking for the new wip. If you want a great estimate of value - throw it on ebay - that will tell you what buyers are willing to pay for that airframe and configuration. Good luck.

Well - from a buyers point of view IMHO, I think a Mooney value guide is about as useful a concept as a Future wife value guide. These are not Hershee bars. From what I've learned, these machines are each unique - from equipment, condition, operational history, and time to make whatever changes are needed - electronics upgrades, paint, tanks.... and to be quite honest how the machine works with the owners objectives and how attractive the complete package is to the buyer. Agreed it does drive the financing market and in a sense help support the value.

for the bad p lead check is it - master off, mags off, mixture cut off? As for hand propping - that's just silly honestly - do you hand prop your lawn mower? I don't like touching the thing durring pre-flight never mind trying to pull it through a couple of turns.

Ugh. One comment, I think this is not your insurance companies problem but your vendors insurance companies problem. In this case, I believe they should make it right for you. I would seek some advice from an insurance professional and possibly an aviation attorney. They should provide you with a plane durring the downtime as well. Good luck with this.

Is the 500 as capable as the 700? Anyone know the major differences - flown them both and have any comments?

You'd have to have a business that needs to write down a bunch of money to make this purchase sensible. With that said, if I was shopping for something in this range, I'd be looking at a turbine with a pilot to fly it for me.

I hope you realize your post likely hurts their business. That is exactly what you do not want to do if you hope to get more professional service from them. It seems you got your plane back better than ever and - other than the communications was a little lumpy, that should have been the end of your post. Yikes - this is a small business - reputation is everything to them your problem should have been handled by walking into the owners office and saying thanks and offering some feedback - not blasting them on a public forum.

Hey Nick - just wondering why you are not cutting the filter? You are flying the snot out of this now and is sat for a number of years right? Glad nothing happened though - looking forward to hearing what the reason was if you ever find out.

Really - well I build software systems for a living and I would feel terrible if I built a system for a client and they still used something 12 years older because what I just built wasn't as good. Say what you will, but hey I have pride in what I build.

I don't doubt the usefulness of the 796 and you should continue to use it if you find it informative. My comment is really that the garmin guys should have made the need for that go away.

Just a comment and of course you need to use the tools that most efficiently get you the info you need. I guess if I was a Garmin engineer or sales person Id be bummed out tha I guy that spent 100k on his panel still needed a yoke mounted gps. If your saying your 796 does the job better easier quicker whatever, that's what you are going to use and great that's exactly what you should do. If this is the case the garmin dudes screwed up.