consequences of retracting flaps on roll out!

[gregwatts]

Quote: Shadrach

Ah. One of the beauties of this forum are the diversity of opinions. I will have to admit I am not well versed in the amount of depreciation associated with different types of damage but I know it is some. I am also not well versed in the diminishing impact of that damage. It is nice to have others that can help fill the gaps.

[201er]

Quote: gregwatts

There is a reason that sellers, dealers, and brokers all deliderately use the "NDH" claim when it is supported by logs..........Just sayin'

[DaV8or]

Quote: aaronk25

 I wouldn't think it had a gear up as its not reported in the log book but, nothing is for sure right?

[Shadrach]

Quote: gregwatts

There is a reason that sellers, dealers, and brokers all deliderately use the "NDH" claim when it is supported by logs..........Just sayin'

[gregwatts]

Quote: Shadrach

There is a reason that sellers, dealers, and brokers all deliderately use the "NDH" claim when it is supported by logs..........Just sayin'

[aaronk25]

If I decided I wanted to have a "known" Mooney shop do the repairs how would i get it there given the flaps are damaged and wing skin infront of flaps is all wrinkled? Is the wing eaisly removable? Surley it couldn't be flown with the extent of the damage. I want to repair it if possible.

 

[jetdriven]

Aaron, I would be suspect of any shop that dropped my plane on its belly twice while towing it in. There are easy ways to prevent that and they likely added another ten grand in damage to it.  I would be mad as hell and refuse to let them touch it.  Get it out of there.  

Quote: aaronk25

Becca,

I would have been better to let the wheels retract and set her in on the belly. There is no way I would have time to shut the engine down, so it would have had a prop strike regardless. I thought I could get her back in the air, but with 50 Gallons of fuel on board it was just more weight that the airspeed would support.

Dav8or, The plane was sold to me reportly as NDH. I just looked up in the log books and the one piece mod was added with some other things, not related to a gear up landing. I wouldn't think it had a gear up as its not reported in the log book but, nothing is for sure right?

The folks at Associated Air in lansing are putting the bid together. There not a MSC, but is very knowledgeable, has the service manuals and takes care a a couple 201s now. I have confidence in them. Its that or we somehow dismantle the plane put it on a truck and ship it somewhere.

 

[jetdriven]

You paid for that privilege  

Quote: gregwatts

There is, and that reason is that it gives people the "warm fuzzies" especially first time buyers... With the fleet being used as it ages, there will come a time when buyers will have to accept the realities of that usage. How many Mooneys do you think gear up every year??? I assure you it's more than the number produced, even in the last few years before the factory closed. 14 out of 24 owners on this website say their aircraft has some DH... That's nearly 60%. There will come a time when 80%+ of the market has some DH. Some buyers will need adapt their line of thinking when purchasing to more realistic mindset...many already have.

[jetdriven]

Quote: Hank

I agree with Ross. Mine was geared up almost 5 years before I bought it, and it's coming up on Anniversary #10 now. It was all repaired correctly, with some "free" mods [one piece belly, new bottom antennas, new strobe, etc.], and she sure does fly nice!

[aaronk25]

So if I can't fly it due to wing damage how do I transport it?

[jetdriven]

Tale the tailcone off. 

[N601RX]

 

Here is a link to some pictures of a mooney dissasembled for transport. Its easier to remove the tailcone rather than the wing.  Is your shop the same one that dropped it twice?

http://avclaims.com/N9218M%20Photos.htm

 

[201er]

Wow! That's not taking off the tailcone! That's taking off the entire empenage! How do they do that? Isn't that rivet/welded on????

[Cris]

I'd suggest you contact your shop of choice & have them make all arrangements for transport be it flight or truck. That way there is only one bill to pay. There are any number of MSC's with that capability and the insurace will cover the cost. I'd also advise the insurance company of the additional damage and open a second claim.

[Cris]

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[DaV8or]

Quote: aaronk25

So if I can't fly it due to wing damage how do I transport it?

[DaV8or]

Sorry Cris, I guess you already said what I posted again.

[jetdriven]

Paul at LASAR said the factory allowance is 140 hours to R&R the wing, and it actually takes longer.  Thats another ten grand.  There's not enough in the policy to cover all that.  This whole situation sucks, and I am afraid there is no easy way out. I would slap the boneheads that dropped your plane and damaged so much further that the insurance company may total it.

[N601RX]

Quote: 201er

Wow! That's not taking off the tailcone! That's taking off the entire empenage! How do they do that? Isn't that rivet/welded on????

[Cris]

One other thought regarding the avionics is that if you did not just increase your hull insurance due to the new avionics it would seem perfectly reasonable to reinstall the old avionics that were what the A/C had been insured for previously. The better avionics gives the insurance company an advantage if it is totaled & disadvaantages you. Alternatively some policies give you a set period to increase the hull value after new avionics are installed. Perhaps you can make that adjustment even now. I'm sure someone in the insurance industry will chime in to help you out.

[Shadrach]

Quote: N601RX

 They just drill out the line of rivets just behind where the steel cage stops, so no cutting or welding is required. They also have to disconnect the rudder and elevator and a few wires and coax.  This is a 1/2 day job for a couple of people who know what they are doing.

I'm guessing this plane was ferriable and an easy fix before it was dropped. Dropping it probably added at least $25 to$30K to the repair and transporting bill which will probably total it unless 2 claims are filed.

[Shadrach]

I keep looking at the title of this thread as it pops up on the home page. It occurs to me that the title is somewhat misleading... I'm not busting Aaron's chops at all (as I said, there but by the grace of God), but the reality is that the flaps were not touched during this incident.

[bdjohn4]

Barons are the worst at this. Gear and flaps are on either side of the quadrant, and to make things worse, Beechcraft flip-flopped the positions of these switches after several years. Had a close call once while attempting to retract the Baron's flaps on roll-out, so I learned my lesson and keep the flaps down unless absolutely necessary (due to wind or short-field or whatever). John

[N601RX]

Quote: Shadrach

 They just drill out the line of rivets just behind where the steel cage stops, so no cutting or welding is required. They also have to disconnect the rudder and elevator and a few wires and coax.  This is a 1/2 day job for a couple of people who know what they are doing.

I'm guessing this plane was ferriable and an easy fix before it was dropped. Dropping it probably added at least $25 to$30K to the repair and transporting bill which will probably total it unless 2 claims are filed.

[Hank]

Quote: Shadrach

I keep looking at the title of this thread as it pops up on the home page. It occurs to me that the title is somewhat misleading... I'm not busting Aaron's chops at all (as I said, there but by the grace of God), but the reality is that the flaps were not touched during this incident.