Flying tampa to Cancun?

[FloridaMan]

I’d like to fly to Cancun. What does it require? I don’t see myself needing to go anywhere near Cuba, so is an overflight permit necessary? What about “handlers”? Are those required? I know a number of mooneyspace users have flown to Mexico, but I’ve never done it myself. 

[Oscar Avalle]

No overflight permit is needed. Just file an international flight plan and the equivalente a EAPIS for México. Take Mexican pesos with you. BTW the airport of entry foe GA is Cozumel, not Cancun.

So fly to Cozumel and from there to Cancun.

Otherwise it is an easy flight.

BTW you will need a raft.

Did I tell you to take Mexican pesos with you?

Enjoy the flight!!!

Oscar


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[carusoam]

 

Really fuzzy memories…  

Somebody has a great thread around here somewhere…  @aaronk25 ?

Honeymoon trip across the gulf… 

Same author of a thread getting their engine OH’d…

may have included a VW rabbit to transport the engine…

 

When flying across the water…

Bring extra altitude for gliding with…

Inflatable life jackets are common for water crossing…

Portable marine band radio is often welcomed…

Rafts can be rented…

landing on water has a procedure…. A ditching procedure…

operating the raft has a procedure as well…

 

There is guidance for all this stuff… around here somewhere…

PP thoughts only, not a CFI… or boater.

Best regards,

-a-

 

[philiplane]

In Mexico, local airport handlers keep your plane from getting "damaged accidentally", keep the Policia from finding contraband in your plane or on your person, and keep you from being a target of the locals. Fuel theft, robbery, and worse are more common than ever, everywhere in Mexico now. My last trip south of Monterrey was probably the last for awhile, until the cartels settle down.

Edited August 4, 2021 by philiplane

[GeeBee]

Remember you need to add "War Risk" coverage to your insurance policy. No, we're not going to war with Mexico, but if your airplane is confiscated for a small technicality your insurance will not pay unless you have war risk coverage. Seen a lot of heartache because of that. 

Handlers are a must. Also use security tape on your panels to prevent yourself from becoming an unwitting mule for the cartels.

 

[alextstone]

Here's a post I made of the two I took 18 months ago:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=https://mooneyspace.com/topic/33203-cozumel-february-19th-2020/&share_tid=33203&share_fid=55491&share_type=t&link_source=app

Cozumel February 19th 2020

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[Oscar Avalle]

Flying internationally is fun, but it has its wrinkles. For example, get to know your insurance policy really well. Make sure the ir covers Mexico…

Also bring Mexican pesos… Cozumel’s credit card machine sometimes does not work… and then you end up paying gas in US dollars at an outrages exchange rate.

Also, make sure that you know the rules!!! For example even if you don’t fly over Cuba you may be talking to their controllers. Very nice and professional. They may ask you to dial in 29 92 in your altimeter if you are above 3,000 feet. I did not know it and I got asked about my altitude! Until they reminded me of their rules…

Be patient!!! Mexico, in particular Cozumel has their own timing… and it is not New York… time should be seen as a Géstalt not as something CEO chronological!

BTW: make sure that you pay ALL your fees! You may get a bill later for usage of Mexican airspace (only about us$ 3 dollar/) and ir can only be paid in Mexico!!! Unless you hire a Handler and it would cost you 100 dollars. If you don’t pay the fee you may be denied access to their airspace… which is not good if you are trying to cross Mexico…

Handlers, I did not use handlers in Cozumel, but I am a strong supporter of hiring them! You pay a fee (not cheap) but you don’t have to hazle over paperwork and red tape!!! Really great. For me worth every penny….

Rafts… I bought one… not cheap but now I have it and don’t have to think about renting one. Regardless know how to use it!!!

Life vests: yes, I also bought a set… wear them!!! They are worthless on the backseat!

Danger: one thing I do is to ensure that it is VFR all the way from my starting point until destination… you don’t want to hassle with weather over the Gulf of Mexico..

Also you will see a lot of ships in the gulf… so you know they can fish you out of the water…in case you may need it

One thing I also do, is take a satellite phone with me… just in case your radio fails…. Just make sure you have all the numbers and know how to use it. Iridium has some nice units that you can link via Wifi to your iPhone. But again know how to use it!!!

Another aspect that helps is to wear a pilot’s shirt and a pilot picture ID. You become immediately capitan!! They don’t mess around with you. As my plane is registered Under a LLC I used that as my company’s name and under my name I put captain… that helped me tremendously in Nicaragua… and sometimes you don’t get charged fees… it also helps if you have to go through security…

So I may be forgetting many other aspects, but enjoy it! It is fun….

Oscar



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[carusoam]

Also… look up spot tracker for GPS tracking… people can watch you cross this way.

-a-

[ArtVandelay]

I’d have a epirb personal beacon to go along with the raft.

[smwash02]

I'm not versed in the 'over water' aspect, Oscar has captured that well I think. @Oscar Avalle I'd be curious to know more about the Sat Phone you're using. I'd looked into the Iridium hotspot and it's around 2.4kbps. An iPhone would immediately destroy this without accomplishing anything useful I would think. I've been debating the Garmin inReach and the Irium Go for a way to send SOS if something were to go wrong.

I've never used a handler and have rudimentary Spanish, but it's something I'm working on daily. It is not required for Mexico, but having one will reduce the potential aggravation after a long trip significantly. I would expect Cozumel to have more English happening than where I fly, which could make it more pleasant.

I have a binder with copies of everything. Mexico loves to copy everything and stamp things. I like to bring them copies to make their life easy. Even with a handler I strongly recommend you have multiple copies of the following:

• Things will will ask for:
• Pilot's license
• Driver's license
• Passport
• Medical
• Airworthiness Certificate
• Registration (Ensure not expired... some dude in the past year just paid 5k USD and got to hang out for a few weeks for this offense)
• Your insurance with Mexico, dates of validity, serial number, make/model, and your name highlighted.
• Notarized (suggested) or signed authorization on company letterhead for you to fly the plane if in an LLC.
• Things you're supposed to have but they will never ask for:
• FCC Radio Station License (Plane, get on FCC's site, 10 year validity)
• FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator (You, get on FCC's site, lifetime)
• Copy of logbook entry for 406MHz ELT installation
• Copy of SARSAT registration
• Copy of logbook entry for ADSB Installation

For the trip:

1. DTOPS Sticker https://dtops.cbp.dhs.gov/. A US thing, takes 2-3 weeks on a good year. You can put the receipt number in the eAPIS if you don't get it in time
2. https://eapis.cbp.dhs.gov/ or https://www.bushpilotsinternational.com/eapis/. Pay the money to Baja and use their tool or let your handler file it for you. Else you have to handle doing the Mexican eAPIS yourself. There's an excel sheet that goes to apis_cna@inami.gob.mx. It's not worth the headache over a few dollars to use Baja to send your eAPIS to both and not worry about it.
3. https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/en/solicitud.html Do your FMM in advance, check crew. General Aviation in box 11, tail number in Box 12.
4. https://www.cbp.gov/contact/ports/fl Know your POE and call them before you come back/land to give them a revised time. Every officer is different in what they want in the same place. Better for them to be annoyed you bothered them than be bothered you didn't.
5. File IFR both ways. ADCUS (Advise Customs) in the return to US flight plan. It's just easier.
6. Mexico lives in the 90s. They don't always have flight plans and you have to do your own routing. Take multiple copies and pre-fill the known bits: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Form/FAA_7233-4_PRA_07-31-2017.pdf
7. Whether you use ForeFlight or Garmin Pilot, Jepp has a ~200/year subscription to get maps and approach plates. I don't know about FF, but even with Latin America, Garmin Pilot doesn't provide these. The Americas Garmin sub for my 430W/750 also does not have charts, only nav data (waypoints, sids, stars, approaches). Jepp will set you back 2-4k for these on your 750 and another unknown cost for Garmin to "Unlock" it to receive them. I use the Garmin Americas (~700/year?) and the Jepp charts (200/year) for Garmin Pilot. FlyQ has all of this included even with the lifetime subscription.
8. Have 4,000-5,000 pesos. Ideally 10,000 (~500USD). I bank with Chase and ask a day or so in advance. The airspace visa will cost you around 2500 pesos. Passengers will cost 550 or so. The rest is for fuel if you can't use CC, Taxis if Ubers aren't there, and etc.
9. Review the AOPA page on the topic: https://www.aopa.org/travel/international-travel/mexico
10. Going to Mexico I just file via Garmin Pilot via Leidos. Fltplan.com and others let you do it now too. Put your border crossing and approx time in the comments. This is technically supposed to be in a form like ZHU/13:00 I believe. ZHU is the code for Houston Center. You'll use ZJX or ZMA. I often forget to put this and no one has said anything. Our ATC is awesome and make our lives very easy.
11. Have fun. The dance going in and out is an adventure without a handler, but it's not bad. I've been 15+ times in the past 2 years to MMAN, MMGL, MMMZ, MMTM, MMCS and haven't had any corruption/shakedown issues with any authorities. Security has always been pretty tight. The new MMAN Comandante pulled me aside once to ensure no one asked me to pay anything that what was officially listed.

It's been a learning adventure. @kortopates was an invaluable resource to learning how this works and has many posts here with more information.

Good luck!

[Oscar Avalle]

I'm not versed in the 'over water' aspect, Oscar has captured that well I think. [mention=8898]Oscar Avalle[/mention] I'd be curious to know more about the Sat Phone you're using. I'd looked into the Iridium hotspot and it's around 2.4kbps. An iPhone would immediately destroy this without accomplishing anything useful I would think. I've been debating the Garmin inReach and the Irium Go for a way to send SOS if something were to go wrong.
I've never used a handler and have rudimentary Spanish, but it's something I'm working on daily. It is not required for Mexico, but having one will reduce the potential aggravation after a long trip significantly. I would expect Cozumel to have more English happening than where I fly, which could make it more pleasant.
I have a binder with copies of everything. Mexico loves to copy everything and stamp things. I like to bring them copies to make their life easy. Even with a handler I strongly recommend you have multiple copies of the following:

• Things will will ask for:
• Pilot's license
• Driver's license
• Passport
• Medical
• Airworthiness Certificate
• Registration (Ensure not expired... some dude in the past year just paid 5k USD and got to hang out for a few weeks for this offense)
• Your insurance with Mexico, dates of validity, serial number, make/model, and your name highlighted.
• Notarized (suggested) or signed authorization on company letterhead for you to fly the plane if in an LLC.
• Things you're supposed to have but they will never ask for:
• FCC Radio Station License (Plane, get on FCC's site, 10 year validity)
• FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator (You, get on FCC's site, lifetime)
• Copy of logbook entry for 406MHz ELT installation
• Copy of SARSAT registration
• Copy of logbook entry for ADSB Installation

For the trip:

1. DTOPS Sticker https://dtops.cbp.dhs.gov/. A US thing, takes 2-3 weeks on a good year. You can put the receipt number in the eAPIS if you don't get it in time
2. https://eapis.cbp.dhs.gov/ or https://www.bushpilotsinternational.com/eapis/. Pay the money to Baja and use their tool or let your handler file it for you. Else you have to handle doing the Mexican eAPIS yourself. There's an excel sheet that goes to apis_cna@inami.gob.mx. It's not worth the headache over a few dollars to use Baja to send your eAPIS to both and not worry about it.
3. https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/en/solicitud.html Do your FMM in advance, check crew. General Aviation in box 11, tail number in Box 12.
4. https://www.cbp.gov/contact/ports/fl Know your POE and call them before you come back/land to give them a revised time. Every officer is different in what they want in the same place. Better for them to be annoyed you bothered them than be bothered you didn't.
5. File IFR both ways. ADCUS (Advise Customs) in the return to US flight plan. It's just easier.
6. Mexico lives in the 90s. They don't always have flight plans and you have to do your own routing. Take multiple copies and pre-fill the known bits: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Form/FAA_7233-4_PRA_07-31-2017.pdf
7. Whether you use ForeFlight or Garmin Pilot, Jepp has a ~200/year subscription to get maps and approach plates. I don't know about FF, but even with Latin America, Garmin Pilot doesn't provide these. The Americas Garmin sub for my 430W/750 also does not have charts, only nav data (waypoints, sids, stars, approaches). Jepp will set you back 2-4k for these on your 750 and another unknown cost for Garmin to "Unlock" it to receive them. I use the Garmin Americas (~700/year?) and the Jepp charts (200/year) for Garmin Pilot. FlyQ has all of this included even with the lifetime subscription.
8. Have 4,000-5,000 pesos. Ideally 10,000 (~500USD). I bank with Chase and ask a day or so in advance. The airspace visa will cost you around 2500 pesos. Passengers will cost 550 or so. The rest is for fuel if you can't use CC, Taxis if Ubers aren't there, and etc.
9. Review the AOPA page on the topic: https://www.aopa.org/travel/international-travel/mexico
10. Going to Mexico I just file via Garmin Pilot via Leidos. Fltplan.com and others let you do it now too. Put your border crossing and approx time in the comments. This is technically supposed to be in a form like ZHU/13:00 I believe. ZHU is the code for Houston Center. You'll use ZJX or ZMA. I often forget to put this and no one has said anything. Our ATC is awesome and make our lives very easy.
11. Have fun. The dance going in and out is an adventure without a handler, but it's not bad. I've been 15+ times in the past 2 years to MMAN, MMGL, MMMZ, MMTM, MMCS and haven't had any corruption/shakedown issues with any authorities. Security has always been pretty tight. The new MMAN Comandante pulled me aside once to ensure no one asked me to pay anything that what was officially listed.

It's been a learning adventure. [mention=7862]kortopates[/mention] was an invaluable resource to learning how this works and has many posts here with more information.
Good luck!

Nice summary! I am using the iridium go. It works well. I get email, SOS and connect my iPhone to it. I was hoping to link it to my air weather app, but air weather app sucks…so no weather.

On subscriptions I have a GTN 750 and 650 and just renewed my subscription with Jeppesen for 1200 (approach charts, navigation, terrain etc) for US, Canada, Central America and Mexico. Considering that there are no many IFR or VFR charts available outside the US. I think that the Jepp subscription and Garmin Pilot or foreflight are important.

Another nice thing to have is Synthetic
Vision and terrain alert… ATC is not always very careful and it is good to know where you are going.

I agree with having a Handler! Makes life SO MUCH easier.
Once I arrived in Managua, Nicaragua, and after I landed I was greater by a bunch of young soldiers with M16 pointing at this gringo plane certainly part of the imperial fleet! I was told to tell them immediately before leaving the plane that I was Pedro’s friend ( the handler, who just happened to work for the local Airport authority) and once I said that they relaxed and pointed their
M16 (or whatever they had) to the ground.

Oscar


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[Oscar Avalle]

Ahhh, one more thing… weather and weather reporting. NEXRAD (FIS does stop at the end of US territorial waters.
I does not cover Mexico. But If you only fly to Cancun it is not too bad.

So weather wise you are back to the 90s… which is ok… so a stormscope is of great help. Forecasts in Mexico are OK, outside Mexico…. Not so great and your experience varies in Central America.

However for planning purposes Garmin Pilot and Foreflight cover your needs.

Last thing… ATC works well in English.
controllers know their stuff, but be nice to them greet them and thank them! It takes you a long way!!! Don’t worry about crowding frequency too much…Gracias and buenos días are always welcomed. In San Salvador they ended up greeting me with good morning Don Oscar where are you going to fly to today… and how can we help you? Priceless.

However, be careful with deviations !!! They can be VERY STRICT if they want to get you… that is why the basic rule is: BE NICE. Once I was flying around San Salvador and I saw one of these big drones at 5,500 feet… not fun if you see that thing…
Evasive action, call ATC for a PIREP… not a big deal… that is what I thought… but, I landed and ATC asks me to stop my plane at the ramp and report in person to the airport control center… long story short I had reported that the drone was close to the US Embassy and that was a prohibited airspace… so they were telling me that I had breached the airspace!!!

They wanted to ground me and investigate me… I saw myself spending hours in a cell and paying lawyers to explain that I had done nothing wrong… I just wanted to alert them to a (F…) drone… luckily I had my GPS track, I showed it to them and I called the tower… they said to the guy at the counter… no… this is Don Oscar the Mooney guy… he did not breach anything…. He is just a nice naïf capi…

So is flying life in the tropics…

Oscar (el capi)


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[smwash02]

28 minutes ago, Oscar Avalle said:

Nice summary! I am using the iridium go. It works well. I get email, SOS and connect my iPhone to it. I was hoping to link it to my air weather app, but air weather app sucks…so no weather.
 

Really.. I'll have to give it a shot. They've been teasing a refresh that would be fast enough for this, but the $800 or so unit naturally will not be compatible so I've been holding out.

28 minutes ago, Oscar Avalle said:

On subscriptions I have a GTN 750 and 650 and just renewed my subscription with Jeppesen for 1200 (approach charts, navigation, terrain etc) for US, Canada, Central America and Mexico. Considering that there are no many IFR or VFR charts available outside the US. I think that the Jepp subscription and Garmin Pilot or foreflight are important.

Good to know, I must've lumped the unlock cost into the per year cost in my notes. Something to think about for my next renewal. Do you recall what it cost for the Garmin unlock for the Jepp maps?

30 minutes ago, Oscar Avalle said:

Another nice thing to have is Synthetic
Vision and terrain alert… ATC is not always very careful and it is good to know where you are going.
 

This is EXTREMELY accurate. I've been given descents that were very questionable, thankfully I was VMC. It was quite close.

[Oscar Avalle]

This is EXTREMELY accurate. I've been given descents that were very questionable, thankfully I was VMC. It was quite close.

The cost to unlock the GTN750 was around 2k if I remember correctly..


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[flyboy0681]

13 hours ago, philiplane said:

In Mexico, local airport handlers keep your plane from getting "damaged accidentally", keep the Policia from finding contraband in your plane or on your person, and keep you from being a target of the locals. Fuel theft, robbery, and worse are more common than ever, everywhere in Mexico now. My last trip south of Monterrey was probably the last for awhile, until the cartels settle down.

Exactly the reason I fly American Airlines to Cancun.

[kortopates]

Wow @FloridaMan Matt @smwash02  Oscar @Oscar Avalle and Alex @alextstone provided you with a ton of great information. Be sure to review Alex's thread as did this exact trip last year.

You can enter Mexico from the US at Cancun, but if you were entering Mexico from the south then you do have to enter at Cozumel - as Oscar was remarking. I prefer Cozumel anyway as its very easy and effecient. No handler is ever needed. 

Don't be dissuaded by disinformation of those that don't actually do this. The only people I ever see get into trouble are ignornant Americans that didn't take any time to learn the rules/regs and then gave the attitude the rules don't apply to them and they must be being ripped off. You can bet the Commadante isn't going to cut slack to anyone with that attitude . Just remember you're a guest in their country. They know we make mistakes. The truth is they're far more accomodating of us bumbling our way through their system than our own folks here; especially when it comes to our CBP. If they see you are truly trying, you'll be amazed at the officials that will go out of their way to help you. 

Lastly, COVID mask wearing is taken very seriosuly in Mexico, on public transportation (buses, ferry's, airports, etc) and anywhere there are lines outdoors etc.  There are even enforcement signs that say anyone refusing to wear one will spend 36 hrs in jail, but you won't see any Mexicans refusing to wear one - that's for us tourist. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by kortopates

[alextstone]

@kortopates has it right...be nice and remember you are a guest in another country and you will be treated well.  Our money spends just fine and that is appreciated too so tip generously.  I'm going back in Feb 2022 only this time, weather and wave heights permitting, I'm planning to go direct from New Orleans over the Gulf to Cozumel.  

[Oscar Avalle]

Wow [mention=8198]FloridaMan[/mention] Matt [mention=11287]smwash02[/mention]  Oscar [mention=8898]Oscar Avalle[/mention] and Alex [mention=17258]alextstone[/mention] provided you with a ton of great information. Be sure to review Alex's thread as did this exact trip last year.
You can enter Mexico from the US at Cancun, but if you were entering Mexico from the south then you do have to enter at Cozumel - as Oscar was remarking. I prefer Cozumel anyway as its very easy and effecient. No handler is ever needed. 
Don't be dissuaded by disinformation of those that don't actually do this. The only people I ever see get into trouble are ignornant Americans that didn't take any time to learn the rules/regs and then gave the attitude the rules don't apply to them and they must be being ripped off. You can bet the Commadante isn't going to cut slack to anyone with that attitude . Just remember you're a guest in their country. They know we make mistakes. The truth is they're far more accomodating of us bumbling our way through their system than our own folks here; especially when it comes to our CBP. If they see you are truly trying, you'll be amazed at the officials that will go out of their way to help you. 
Lastly, COVID mask wearing is taken very seriosuly in Mexico, on public transportation (buses, ferry's, airports, etc) and anywhere there are lines outdoors etc.  There are even enforcement signs that say anyone refusing to wear one will spend 36 hrs in jail, but you won't see any Mexicans refusing to wear one - that's for us tourist. 

Right on the money… be nice and patient… say gracias, tip well but don’t think that because you have dollars you can do what you want… that does not take you anywhere. Being nice and polite gets you much farther than a huge tip.

Just be careful with the weather…

Oscar


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[carusoam]

Great shared experience Gents!

Go MS!

Best regards,

-a-

[Mkruger2021]

On 8/3/2021 at 9:21 PM, Oscar Avalle said:

Flying internationally is fun, but it has its wrinkles. For example, get to know your insurance policy really well. Make sure the ir covers Mexico…

Also bring Mexican pesos… Cozumel’s credit card machine sometimes does not work… and then you end up paying gas in US dollars at an outrages exchange rate.

Also, make sure that you know the rules!!! For example even if you don’t fly over Cuba you may be talking to their controllers. Very nice and professional. They may ask you to dial in 29 92 in your altimeter if you are above 3,000 feet. I did not know it and I got asked about my altitude! Until they reminded me of their rules…

Be patient!!! Mexico, in particular Cozumel has their own timing… and it is not New York… time should be seen as a Géstalt not as something CEO chronological!

BTW: make sure that you pay ALL your fees! You may get a bill later for usage of Mexican airspace (only about us$ 3 dollar/) and ir can only be paid in Mexico!!! Unless you hire a Handler and it would cost you 100 dollars. If you don’t pay the fee you may be denied access to their airspace… which is not good if you are trying to cross Mexico…

Handlers, I did not use handlers in Cozumel, but I am a strong supporter of hiring them! You pay a fee (not cheap) but you don’t have to hazle over paperwork and red tape!!! Really great. For me worth every penny….

Rafts… I bought one… not cheap but now I have it and don’t have to think about renting one. Regardless know how to use it!!!

Life vests: yes, I also bought a set… wear them!!! They are worthless on the backseat!

Danger: one thing I do is to ensure that it is VFR all the way from my starting point until destination… you don’t want to hassle with weather over the Gulf of Mexico..

Also you will see a lot of ships in the gulf… so you know they can fish you out of the water…in case you may need it

One thing I also do, is take a satellite phone with me… just in case your radio fails…. Just make sure you have all the numbers and know how to use it. Iridium has some nice units that you can link via Wifi to your iPhone. But again know how to use it!!!

Another aspect that helps is to wear a pilot’s shirt and a pilot picture ID. You become immediately capitan!! They don’t mess around with you. As my plane is registered Under a LLC I used that as my company’s name and under my name I put captain… that helped me tremendously in Nicaragua… and sometimes you don’t get charged fees… it also helps if you have to go through security…

So I may be forgetting many other aspects, but enjoy it! It is fun….

Oscar



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Could not agree more, Done it quite a few times.....Mexico is not that bad! Do bring the shirt....It helps!

MK

[Mkruger2021]

Forgot to mention, I would like to add: bring a 5/16 allen key to remove the radios if you park remotely. I do this in Baja! Reminds me of "Hotel Serinidad". BTW, I would love to drop into Playa del Carmen some day.....They have a nice strip in the middle of town.......And it"s a cool town!

[Oscar Avalle]

Yes, and put some masking tape on the doors and sign over it so that if somebody opens the door of your plane you know it… seriously. In one stop somebody tried to open the door of my plane and that is how I realized that this had happened. I had the plane inspected and somebody had left a little something..


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[brad]

Fly to Mexico 2-3 times a year.

Best thing to do is join Baja Bush Pilots.  All info is there and as a member you may use their system for EAPIS filing for US and Mexico.  Member for 21 years. 

Brad

[kortopates]

1 hour ago, brad said:

Fly to Mexico 2-3 times a year.

Best thing to do is join Baja Bush Pilots.  All info is there and as a member you may use their system for EAPIS filing for US and Mexico.  Member for 21 years. 

Brad

you'll see me on there as well! Also a long time member there.