carusoam Posted October 12, 2016 Report Posted October 12, 2016 The 10 day IR schools are great, when... 1) Have tremendous experience with the plane you intend to fly IFR in. 2) You are already locked in to one plane. 3) You know all the interconnections of all the systems. 4) You do nothing else but discuss Mooney flying in your free time. 5) You like flying desktop simulators. So much of this is procedures more than actual flying. For learning a lot of details related to the IR system, the MSFS has some interesting training materials you can easily learn 90% of the practical subject matter. 6) the PP syllabus is written for an ordinary 17 year old to follow. The IR takes a jump to college level in detail and quantity. 7) there are a few texts that need to be consumed. Flying in the system and weather are two important topics. The authors are listed around here somewhere. Buck and the the other more famous guy.... (ask if you can't find them...) 8) I used American Flyers 10 day program, took me a month to finish. I only had 9 days of vacation and weekends. Winter weather adds to the challenge. 9) Cramming that much material in so short of time is a cognitive challenge. Getting to the test is one thing, having it stay in your brain without using it causes costly retraining.... 10) With The ten day program at AF, you get a few instructors and a few different planes. You don't notice the instructor is different. And you don't notice the planes are different. It's like college. There is a job to do. Get it done, properly. 11) get as much actual training in IMC. Some people don't get much IMC during their training. Winter in NJ supplies a lot of clouds. If you run a lot of computer simulations at work, the experience will be quite similar... interpreting data at a high rate of speed. Make decisions based on that data. Make very few unnoticed mistakes. 12) All the things that bothered you so far, go out the window. Confidence built on knowledge and experience frees you up to really enjoy flying. This could be only Mooney Knowledge and only Mooney experience. But, I did the IR training in a few C172s. Get started, just don't be in a rush to finish before you can use it... Each CFI and CFII brings another idea, experience, and way of doing things. Collect as many CfIs as you can. At this point you get pretty good at being a student. Asking questions when you don't understand something gets easier. You also go into every session loaded with questions probing for answers. There is so much to know. Good luck! Best regards, -a- Quote
donkaye Posted October 12, 2016 Report Posted October 12, 2016 The fastest I have ever done and Instrument rating was 8 days with an exception student. On the accelerated program it's usually 11 days. The written should already have been done. I'm close to you, but I won't do it in a Cirrus. I haven't flown them enough. I personally like to do the whole flying part in an airplane. A sim just isn't realistic enough for me. I also like to do it in as much weather as is available. It a lot easier if you use your own airplane. Rental airplanes just always seem too have problems. 4 Quote
thinwing Posted October 12, 2016 Report Posted October 12, 2016 It took me 11 days (with the remedial intersection hold)...My instrument DPE..played a dirty trick on me I thought at the time...file and take off ,hood on and intercept the airway set on # 1 vor....and 1 minute into the flight he gives me an intersection hold based on two different vors when I am not even established on the first vor.....I could have done it given a little more time but we were only only 3 min out from the mystery intersection and of course I blew right past it!..I remember complaining about atc always gives you 5 min to set up the navigation..he said tough...PIC believes the airplane itself is a lousy teaching enviroment...noisy,bumpy even dangerous with both heads in the cockpit...they like to teach the basic handflying,scan technique,tracking and intercepting courses ,enroute and than approaches (I don't know if they still teach ndb )etc than go fly in the actual aircraft. Quote
thinwing Posted October 12, 2016 Report Posted October 12, 2016 And 30 yrs later,enroute PAKT for a little Salmon fishing...Anchorage center issues hold instructions fully 30 min out ,saying you will # 3 on approach and a Alaska airlines 737 just went missed...the hold itself...so easy,just hold on initial fix on the approach course...12 or 13 turns later the scud has lifted to 700 Ovc .I had refueled at Port Hardy BC and had enough fuel to return all the way back to VFR departure point if I had to all the while telling my wife about the failed hold during my instrument check ride . Quote
Samurai Husky Posted October 12, 2016 Report Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Sorry forums glitched on me; All of this is good info. Edited October 12, 2016 by Samurai Husky Quote
rpcc Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 So just read this thread. Holy crap I need a nap. Just about puts a fork in taking your ppl in anything more than a basic trainer. Quote
MB65E Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, rpcc said: So just read this thread. Holy crap I need a nap. Just about puts a fork in taking your ppl in anything more than a basic trainer. He ended up in an SR22 I believe. It was great drama for a long time. Glad he finished his PPL. we were all worried about him. Haven't heard from him in a long time. -Matt 1 Quote
carusoam Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Sam Husk gave some input for someone seeking flying dog advice a month or so ago... Sam also showed us... Learning to fly in the middle of nowhere can be a benefit for time and finances... Best regards, -a- Quote
DXB Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Posted February 22, 2018 Just saw this topic. I have no recollection of having started it and am horrified by this realization. 4 Quote
carusoam Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Dev, I sent a report to Craig. Something went wrong with the attribution.... Best regards, -a- Quote
mooniac58 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Probably some glitch in a forum upgrade or something. Hard to tell why it did this. Quote
Hank Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, rpcc said: So just read this thread. Holy crap I need a nap. You do realize that this was not his only thread? Part 1 is around here somewhere . . . . I thought I had trained in the boonies, and was horrified by his big city tales & costs. Then I moved here, and realized that KHTW really wasn't in the boonies at all . . . . . Edited February 22, 2018 by Hank Quote
midlifeflyer Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 7 hours ago, DXB said: Just saw this topic. I have no recollection of having started it and am horrified by this realization. I'm horrified you reopened it! I actually ended up responding to a 2 year old post before realizing a d deleting. 2 Quote
Seth Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 I can’t believe looking back this was 2016!! 1 Quote
Andy95W Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 If we make this really political the administrators will lock the thread like Little Timmy... Jus' sayin. Quote
Browncbr1 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Posted February 24, 2018 Figures he got a cirrus. I used to cringe reading posts. 2 Quote
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