Changing out side windows

[Guest]

When I replaced the windows in my E model, I machined the windows so they would fit flush with the skin and also dimpled all of the screw holes so they were flush.

Clarence

[Marauder]

1 hour ago, 1964-M20E said: By the way I like my F model.  I had an E before and the E or C models are very capable machines just a little short of leg room for rear passengers.  I've always said the E or the C are great 2 person 4 seat aircraft. and they can handle 3 adults quite well especially for flights less than 3 hours.

 

 

I've never had a complaint from a back seat passenger in my M20E. Here's a recent trip with 4 full size adults,over 5 hours in 2 legs.

You are such a nice guy Bob. Giving double amputee ladies a ride like that.

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[Bob_Belville]

3 hours ago, Marauder said:

You are such a nice guy Bob. Giving double amputee ladies a ride like that.

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Nattering nabobs of negativism. Next time I'll get the ladies to take a pic of the back seat leg room they have and get it notarized.

[Yetti]

4 hours ago, M20Doc said:

When I replaced the windows in my E model, I machined the windows so they would fit flush with the skin and also dimpled all of the screw holes so they were flush.

Clarence

I like the way you think.  On a milling machine? A router with a edge guide would work too.  Seems like you would want to countersink the skin and the plexiglas too get them flush.

[jetdriven]

You dimple it with a screw dimple die set

[Bob_Belville]

We (re)dimbled the skin. A few needed to be upsized to 10s from 8s due to previous installation.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Yetti said:

I like the way you think.  On a milling machine? A router with a edge guide would work too.  Seems like you would want to countersink the skin and the plexiglas too get them flush.

I built a fixture which I mounted on a table saw, then cut with a fine tooth carbide blade.  You have to dimple the skin as its too thin for machine counter sinking.

Clarence

[Bob_Belville]

6 hours ago, pmccand said:

This week I replaced my M20B's glass with Cee Bailey's window products (owned by Desser).  I used the light grey tint, but the grey is so light you probably can't tell much difference between the grey and the clear.  I am thrilled with the results. Nearly perfect fit.  VERY smooth optically.  Best yet, I did a LOT of shopping and found that Cee Bailey's pricing is  a mere fraction of the competition (significantly less $ than the other guys). Full pma numbers and documentation came with Windows.  Don't waste your time looking elsewhere. I highly recommend their products.

Talked to them (my A&P uses them all the time) but they only have molds for older Mooneys - thru F, and I needed a J windshield. I paid quite a bit more @ GLAP but I got what I wanted. Lynn used Cee Bailey Solar Grey and Dark Grey on the Maule he just finished rebuilding. I think the sheet goods come from the same producer and CB or GLAP just cuts and forms. 

My A&P's work:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.856549354421022.1073741829.610511435691483&type=1&l=63b2a03e4f

[Bob_Belville]

38 minutes ago, M20Doc said:

I built a fixture which I mounted on a table saw, then cut with a fine tooth carbide blade.  You have to dimple the skin as its too thin for machine counter sinking.

Clarence

Yeah, we dimpled the skin and countersunk the plexi behind the dimple. 

[Hank]

12 hours ago, Bob_Belville said:

Nattering nabobs of negativism. Next time I'll get the ladies to take a pic of the back seat leg room they have and get it notarized.

Great comeback, Mr. Bob! I may steal that one for future use . . . .

[Bob_Belville]

37 minutes ago, Hank said:

Great comeback, Mr. Bob! I may steal that one for future use . . . .

B26's F theoretically has 10" more leg room in the back seat. But he's about 10" taller than I am so as you can see I can fit 3 of my lady friends in my E. Where's his pic of himself and even one of his "beauties" in his roomy F?  

[Hank]

The F through K are 10" longer than our rides, but only 5" went into back seat legroom--the other 5" went into the baggage area.

But they sure are proud of the extra legroom!

[Marauder]

37 minutes ago, Hank said: Great comeback, Mr. Bob! I may steal that one for future use . . . .

B26's F theoretically has 10" more leg room in the back seat. But he's about 10" taller than I am so as you can see I can fit 3 of my lady friends in my E. Where's his pic of himself and even one of his "beauties" in his roomy F?  

I need a wide angle lense on my camera to get that shot for you.

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[Bob_Belville]

40 minutes ago, Hank said:

The F through K are 10" longer than our rides, but only 5" went into back seat legroom--the other 5" went into the baggage area.

But they sure are proud of the extra legroom!

That's not the way I remember it. I was thinking it was 12", 10" legroom and 2" more baggage. But I may be wrong, again. Check out the note for the '66 Executive.

http://www.mooneyevents.com/chrono.htm

[Marauder]

The F through K are 10" longer than our rides, but only 5" went into back seat legroom--the other 5" went into the baggage area.

But they sure are proud of the extra legroom!

I guess you haven't flown commercially lately. The 4" difference between "economy" and "economy plus" is staggering.

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[Bob_Belville]

Just now, Marauder said:

 

I guess you haven't flown commercially lately. The 4" difference between "economy" and "economy plus" is staggering.

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I only travel first class.

[Yetti]

I hate Scarebusses

 

No one really can sit behind me in cars or the Mooney

[Bob_Belville]

5 minutes ago, Yetti said:

I hate Scarebusses 

 

No one really can sit behind me in cars or the Mooney

Yikes!

[HRM]

On November 25, 2015 at 11:14:38 AM, DonMuncy said:

Rookie,

You must not read this forum much. Nobody here would ever admit his plane was not the greatest aircraft ever built.

...but only a select few here own Mooney's that are super.

[Andy95W]

14 hours ago, Hank said:

But they sure are proud of the extra legroom!

And then they try to convince everyone that the B, C, D, and E back seats are inhumane and impossible for an adult to sit in.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, Yetti said:

I hate Scarebusses

 

No one really can sit behind me in cars or the Mooney

Isn't the 'fasten seat belt" placard a bit useless?  I don't think you would move even in a crash.

Clarence 

[aviatoreb]

18 hours ago, Yetti said:

I hate Scarebusses

 

No one really can sit behind me in cars or the Mooney

That's my experience on commercial flights too.  I'm tall too.  My most dreaded time of every flight - and it seems to happen almost every flight - is when the fasten seat belt sign releases and the person ahead of me decides its time to lean the seat back.  So they try and push the seat back, but it won't go - its stuck - so then they bounce their whole body on it a coupe of times - jamming the whole thing on my knees.  Sometimes they turn around and leer at me after crushing my knees, mad like I am doing something wrong to them denying their right to a reclining.

Reclining seats come from an era of the DC3, when there used to be leg room, flying was for the luxury class, and there was plenty of space.  They should eliminate reclining seats.  They are dumb.

[Yetti]

The person who tries to smash my knee caps will then lose more space for the rest of the flight.  It is amazing how much forward play there is in the seats.  Luckily I had a row to myself on this flight.   I have sent emails with pictures to United and they say the Scarebus seat pitch is the same as a boeing.   My legs disagree.

[aviatoreb]

38 minutes ago, Yetti said:

The person who tries to smash my knee caps will then lose more space for the rest of the flight.  It is amazing how much forward play there is in the seats.  Luckily I had a row to myself on this flight.   I have sent emails with pictures to United and they say the Scarebus seat pitch is the same as a boeing.   My legs disagree.

There is 2 to 3'' of difference between the various airlines, and for legs too big for the space, it makes a huge difference in the degree of pain.  In the worst cases, my legs will not allow me to even point them forward, so I have to sit the whole flight with my legs spread apart to make a bit more space, and in some cases my heel lifted off the floor since my shin is too long to let me feet go forward and fit under the seat in front.  Then not to mention - sometimes my arms are too long to use my computer since my hands fall past the key board, and the only way to pull them back would be to widen my elbow stance, but the guys next to me don't like my elbows in their ribs.  Did I mentioned that sometimes if there is a similarly large person sitting on either side of me, that occasionally not even our shoulders fit side to side, and I need to sit with my back slightly cocked to the side twisted.

I am not an unreasonably sized person.  I am 6'4'' and 215lbs which is considered quite reasonable and watch out if you try to race me on a bicycle, or on xc skis, or crew scull, or kayak, since I will probably kick your butt.  But when I fly - I wish I were 4'4''.

Occasionally I arrive at my destination so contorted that my back is torqued for a couple of days.  Occasionally on very long flights, like to Brazil, or Hawaii or even Germany I get sort of really anxious in the middle of the flight - not an anxiety of the flying aspect, but from the feeling of extreme discomfort and I am just stuck and it won't end.

My Mooney has fantastic leg room.  :-)

[Hank]

One of the several current Performance threads mentioned ~2 knot increase by sliding the seat back in cruise. So I did that Wednesday afternoon; I normally use the middle of three detents, so once all trimmed up and I remembered, I slid to the rear detent. The space was incredible!! This is now my new norm. All the way back just wasn't comfortable, and I didn't want to be sliding around with every bump. So I slid forward for the descent. And for the first time since buying the plane in '07, I felt cramped . . .