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Where is it broken? A pic would be good. Can it be repaired? Can you make one?
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Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
hammdo replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
If I read this right, the AP also found an issue with the cam so, selling with that would mean discount for overhaul or IRAN $ in the price… -Don -
Air Power says they have 2 in stock. And they are the cheapest. https://www.airpowerinc.com/632062-2a1 Oops, Google screwed me, wrong PN.
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Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
1980Mooney replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Look at it this way - You are mentally at the point that you want to sell. It is not the oil usage - it is because you are losing interest in flying/ownership. And you are questioning whether to put more money into the plane. If it was just an oil usage issue you would be mentally committed to find the best way to spend the money to get it flying reliably long term the way you want it. Anything you do will take longer than anyone suggests or thinks here. If you are wanting to sell, then committing to IRAN or OH will add months of delay - possibly many months depending on where you are, logistics and what they find - and that is months of insurance cost and hangar expense (and possibly avionics data costs). And then depending on your location, logistics and timing of license/BFR/currency etc. and how you are going to sell it, you might have to spend more time/money on yourself in order to be current when you are actually able to retrieve your plane and put it on the market. If you spend "$25-50k" (depending on what is found), plus all your other out of pocket expenses getting it to/from the shop, variable expenses above, etc., do you think that you will be able to jack up the price an equal amount? It sounds like you have a pretty nice plane with a great panel. You said mechanically everything else is in good shape. Any "new" Mooney buyer is buying a "project" regardless. These are 60 year old planes after all. Something is always going wrong no matter how well maintained. @KSMooniac made a reference being leery of buying a plane with a "fresh annual". I guess I would be more leery of a Seller saying it had a fresh "IRAN" costing "$25-50K" (and wanting a higher price). That can be more subjective - and the "Seller" may have opted to not spend as much money as the shop suggested. - i.e. cut some corners that would have been nice to do at the time. I would think "nice this was done but not increasing price at which I would buy much". I like @KSMooniac latest comment to essentially do the minimum expense/time to get your oil consumption under control. And then get it on the market. -
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It would be very simple for a manufacturer to fly any specific airplane and copy down performance figures (take off time, rate of climb, TAS) and then bolt on their newest and greatest prop and repeat the same flights, same day and report same to the flying public. I wonder why they don't do that? I'd volunteer my Mooney to do the testing (in fact I'd even pay the maintenance bill for the prop changes to do it, just loan me the prop).
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I am not trolling. I think the Type R is a great though not particularly good looking car (especially form behind). That being said there is no getting away from decades of being the choice of budget minded young males with a drive to add the worst of what the aftermarket has to offer. It is what it is. I occasionally like riding Harleys, but it does not stop me from associating them with and disliking the recent trend within Harley culture to pair loud pipes with 200W stereo systems to ensure that everyone within 100yds has ears assaulted by a single individuals noise. Even better when it a pack of riders with everyone playing different music. Sorry it's not admirable behavior and it's pervasive...as is the number of Civics rolling around on eBay coilovers with wheel spacers, straight through exhausts and misaimed headlights sporting offroad only "Ice Blue" bulbs. It's unfortunate but the worst consumers contribute the most to a products public perception.
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Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
KSMooniac replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I wouldn't even replace the cylinders unless inspection shows something terrible. Clean, measure, hone. Address any valves if needed and use new rings. -
I bet one of the major engine shops could help you source one...
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I've seen worse!
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Ross, disappointed in you. A troll compares an E to a civic and you post that? Meh. A ridiculous comparison that I made accurate based on ability to perform and you dismiss as ricer elitism. Do better man.
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What's going on with your interior? I'm in the process of doing mine and the interior plastic can be repaired and repainted.
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Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
hammdo replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
This Past February… Edge Aviation did it for me. A retired AP/IA was available at the time and took it on. I do have a 6 year relationship with the shop so was glad they could do it -Don -
Just did oil change on my 1980 Mooney M20K 231. After runup checking for leaks, pulled dip stick to check oil level. As I raised up in my hand to read, the entire metal dipstick departed from handle. Glad it didn't happen while in place on engine. Trying to find part number 632062-25A1 which is part number on stick. Boeing says 240 day back order because they'd have to have one made. Been on Ebay and any other site I can find. Anyone got one for sale or can advise if they know who might?
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Looks like the red annunciator light below the gear down light is on as well, can’t read the label of what it is.
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Awesome, thank you sir for the input.
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Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
1980Mooney replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Looking back at your old posts - was that back in 2020 or more recent and reflective of the current situation? -
very nice upgrade!
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safe lubricant for my main shock disks
Derrickearly replied to Derrickearly's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Update: The bottom two hinge joints were the culprit. The plane had to be jacked up to offload the joints before they could be greased properly. Lord was right! It was not squeaky shock disks. -
Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
hammdo replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I did the IRAN with new cam, dlc lifters, bearings and new cylinders, etc.. - took the shop 3 weeks.. -
Sell my E as is or overhaul engine then sell
KSMooniac replied to Spurious Moppet's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
That is a tough spot. I'm now an experienced owner and have overhauled my engine once so far. If I were to buy another plane, I would rather have one with hundreds of hours of service (in just a few years) after an overhaul, or one closer to TBO (and priced accordingly) so that I could overhaul it to my specs. I would be VERY leery of one that was just overhauled and put on the market as I would be fearful of infant mortality AND corners that were cut in order to save money in anticipation of selling it soon and letting it be someone else's problem going forward. This could be mitigated by getting an overhaul from a well-known shop with a great reputation, and hopefully a transferrable warranty. The downside to this is that you most likely will not recover 100% of your expense on the overhaul when selling the plane, and in fact, it might be closer to 50-75%. The immediate question to me: is your engine/airplane airworthy? You found wear/damage, but did your shop ask if you wanted to keep flying it? Selling an un-airworthy airplane is a LOT harder unless it is going to be cut-up and hauled away, and that should not be an option for you with a nicely equipped plane and presumably no airframe damage/corrosion. So could a buyer fly your plane away and then deal with the engine? Your oil usage is likely due to a ring failure and not cam wear, but now you know you are "on the clock" with the cam, if it is still airworthy. You could replace the rings, document the cam wear, and disclose everything to the right buyer. I would also measure the valve opening/lift at each cylinder to see if the damaged lobe is losing profile right now vs. just pitting/chipping. Many buyers will be scared away, though, but it would minimize your costs. With 800 hours on it, though, it might be worthy of an IRAN (from a great shop like Zephyr) presuming you don't have any other issues like a cracked case, metal that has circulated and scored the crankshaft, etc. You could get a new cam and DLC lifters, IRAN the jugs, new rings and bearings, and get back together quickly. You could also get the Centrilube STC mod for the cam shaft to help prevent what you have now. You'll still have to price it as an 800 SMOH engine, but your expense will be far less than a full overhaul and you'll have a much larger selection of potential buyers compared to where you're at currently as-is. -
Indeed it would. I have only flown formation with a C model. The difference in both climb and cruise surprised both of us.
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Retract Gear or Flaps First in a Go Around ?
midlifeflyer replied to donkaye, MCFI's topic in Modern Mooney Discussion
Maybe someone did, but I don't recall anyone arguing to lift flaps first if you limit your final flap setting to the T/O (or partial) position. I think the discussion has been about full flaps and whether to raise them to the T/O position before raising the gear. And I think you use of the word "technique" is just right. -
We had been thinking of selling our E model recently but a couple weeks ago I noticed it was suddenly using a lot more oil than normal (1 quart/hour). Left it at a shop to look into it. They ended up pulling a cylinder after scoping it and seeing some scoring and in the process also found a cam lobe and a lifter that was starting to get chewed up. The engine was about 800 hours since overhaul and 700 hours since IRAN (after hitting the prop on a tow bar) by the previous owner about 11 years ago. The airplane is pretty nicely equipped with GTN 650, GFC 500 and a EDM 900 engine monitor and some other stuff and generally in good mechanical shape. I talked to Zephyr about timeframe to get it overhauled and they estimated 6 months. I figure getting it IRAN or overhauled and reinstalled would be between $25-50k depending on what is found. Trying to understand if it would be money ahead to pay for the engine work and then sell or just sell as is as a project for someone else. Anyone have insight?