Camguard....and LOP operations really help clean and seal up a engine?!?

[BigTex]

I have a Mooney shot glass I use.

[aaronk25]

Can't you just dump the whole bottle in at ail change and not screw with it until next oil change?

[jetdriven]

IIRC they recommend 5% at oil change and also added to the makeup oil.

[jetdriven]

The truth is I add 3oz every two quarts of makeup oil.  I also dump my sumped avgas on the ground   Call me lazy.

[DonMuncy]

I thought LOP v ROP and Bladders v Reseal discussions would go on forever. I guess we have another never-ending discussion. 

[DaV8or]

 I am about 100 hours. I think a calender time of three months is a good time to shoot for.

 

We have looked at a number of plastic "cups" (think laundry detergent) but find the residual Camguard unacceptable (drips, smell, dust attraction). The best way of handling top up oil is to preblend 2 ounces into new bottles of oil. The side strip works well for this. I use 2 ounces because I am adding the makeup oil to dirty oil.

 

Ed

 

So, I guess four oil changes a year no matter how much they fly, would you say this is true?

 

As to the residual in the measuring cup, I use a home made graduated water bottle, so when I'm done adding the Camguard, I screw the water bottle lid back on and this takes care of the mess, smell and dirt attraction. So, you might want to consider something with a lid. I'd love to have something a bit more sophisticated than my old water bottle.

 

So, I guess you recommend adding a little extra Camguard when topping off to dirty oil? Why would this be? I have been just keeping the ratio constant.  

 

Thanks for the factory feed back. Us consumers appreciate it!

[DaV8or]

The truth is I add 3oz every two quarts of makeup oil.  I also dump my sumped avgas on the ground   Call me lazy.

 

Lazy!!

[PTK]

If I may make a humble suggestion Ed. Have you approached Shell and/or Exxon to see if they'd consider developing formulations that include your additive in their oils? As Aeroshell does with the Lycoming LW-16702 in their Plus and 15W50? I'm sure they'd be open to at least exploring such a possibility. They'd require that you submit your product to the scrutiny of real, demanding and independent oil company style testing but that wouldn't be a problem, would it? Seems to me it would be a win win for everyone involved. Folks who wish to use it would do so easily without mess or high level math and guesswork. Your product may even gain some validity and thus wider acceptance.

[1TJ]

If I may make a humble suggestion Ed. Have you approached Shell and/or Exxon to see if they'd consider developing formulations that include your additive in their oils? As Aeroshell does with the Lycoming LW-16702 in their Plus and 15W50? I'm sure they'd be open to at least exploring such a possibility. They'd require that you submit your product to the scrutiny of real, demanding and independent oil company style testing but that wouldn't be a problem, would it? Seems to me it would be a win win for everyone involved. Folks who wish to use it would do so easily without mess or high level math and guesswork. Your product may even gain some validity and thus wider acceptance.

Ben Visser, the formulator of the Aeroshell 15W-50, was retired from Shell when we undertook certifying Camguard. He assisted us a bit in the certification.  A month after receiving our certification, Shell asked to have a meeting with us. It seems after testing it (and maybe what Ben told them of our results) they were interested in possibly adding Camguard to their formulations. The problem was that they were offering less than the cost it took to produce it. They wanted the technology but would not pay anything for it.

 

Phillips has continuously expressed interest but I don’t see that happening.

 

Ed   

[201er]

I don't think Phillips has any need to include camguard in their oil. They've been selling better since camguard came along anyway

[N1026F]

Hey Ed, why is Camguard so expensive?!?

[aaronk25]

Hey if Ed is still on here I wanted to ask him about cam guard automotive use in mn in the winter. My bottle of cam guard auto was in my trunk the other morning when it was -10f and it was solid as a Jell-O shot. . Is it ok to use in the winter in my jetta diesel? Wondering if it dilutes enough in the oil so that when its cold it doesn't jell up as bad.

Little off topic sorry....

Aaron

[1TJ]

Hey Ed, why is Camguard so expensive?!?

 

Because all of the 11 additives are expensive. And I am not limited by the cost of performance additives. Except for the lack of dispersant, Camguard is a comprehensive aviation additive package. Some people believe that the oil companies produce the best oils they can. I know they produce the best oils they can for the amount they are allowed to spend on base oil and additives, which is not very much. It is the reason I know that Camguard will not be copied by the oil companies.

 

Ed 

[1TJ]

Hey if Ed is still on here I wanted to ask him about cam guard automotive use in mn in the winter. My bottle of cam guard auto was in my trunk the other morning when it was -10f and it was solid as a Jell-O shot. . Is it ok to use in the winter in my jetta diesel? Wondering if it dilutes enough in the oil so that when its cold it doesn't jell up as bad.

Little off topic sorry....

Aaron

It is a concentrated additive package, like the additive package in the oil, and it does not significantly impact the low temperature viscometrics when added at 5%. You should bring it to room temperature, 70 degrees, before adding it to your oil.

 

Ed

[duke]

For all you young guys with babys in the house, spirit away a baby bottle. they are graduated in oz and have a cap. Very handy to measure out any liquid. Also handy when changing fork oil in motorcyles. Me--I get grandkids old bottles. You inbetweeners will have to rely on friends or break down

and blow a dollar or two at the nearest baby supply store.

[N1026F]

Clever!

[bumper]

I have a large snake . . . what sort of oil and additives are recommended?

[duke]

depends on snakes problem. eg. large constipated snake-lots of castor oil additive--large snake with loose bowels--lots of imodium additive.

[aaronk25]

http://mooneyspace.com/gallery/image/34418-300-hours-on-engine-with-50w-and-camguard/

 

Just to keep the pot stirred I wanted to show a pic of what the inside of my 1500tsmoh looks like, running camgard....pretty clean.  Just after I bought the plane I did something stupid and caused a prop strike, so the engine came apart and I had them put a new cam and bearings in it also.  So its been 1.5 years and 375hours and I have been running 50w shell and camguard and I have to say it looks pretty darn clean ex...lack of deposits and gunk.

 

I had to remove the number 2 cylinder as it started burning oil and the culprit was worn intake valve guide.  Quick repair and backup Friday.  I think the valve guide was made or installed wrong.

 

Also, notice with the 50w oil (not saying the 15w-50 wont do this, but I don't think it will) is still dripping off the cam and it has been down for a week!  Great picture of good cam protection.

 

Aaron