Switchblade: Kinda cool concept in progress

[hammdo]

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/nation-world/tesla-recalls-nearly-all-vehicles-sold-in-us/507-2ee137ad-2cd5-4f56-84b5-788db785e2b8

[Hank]

Sorry, @A64Pilot . . . . Looks like your womder EV has issues  . . . .

[A64Pilot]

46 minutes ago, Hank said:

Sorry, @A64Pilot . . . . Looks like your womder EV has issues  . . . .

Did you bother reading it?

The “recall” will be a software update that will be downloaded while the car is parked in the garage. It strengthens the nanny feature that watches to ensure your not sleeping or something when you have autopilot engaged, almost certainly I won’t even notice it, because I don’t sleep with autopilot on.

Some recall, not saying there won’t be but there has yet to be a recall that wasn’t fixed by a software update, my car has never gone to the shop, but a Tesla employee has come twice to my house, once to install the homelink module, then another time to replace a taillight that had moisture in it. Most of the time they come to your house if there is a problem.

Tesla used to just fix problems as they were discovered and the Government bowed up and requires a “recall”, a recall adds time as in months before the fix is issued.

The auto brake feature is likely what triggered it, Consumer reports tested the car and found that the auto brake performed about the same as the F-150 truck. Tesla took a look, found out that Consumer Reports was right and issued a software fix right away, Government had a fit because they weren’t involved they wanted a recall.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/tesla-model-3-gets-cr-recommendation-after-braking-update/

Musk and the Government have been butting heads for years, due to the fear that a silent car could sneak up on blind people the Government required they make a noise. So Musk took that idea and ran with it and allowed the owner to pick a noise, some were the cream truck music, my favorite was the banging coconut horse noise from the Holy Grail Monty Python movie., (Musk is a movie fan, especially Monty Python) unfortunately the Government got their nose out of shape and made him remove those options, now we have just the Government approved noises. But you can still make the car fart and other noises when you want, I can even make it make noises on my phone. I can do lots of thigs on my phone, open and close windows, turn on the heat or AC, monitor outside or inside cameras, and yes make the car fart.

On average the car gets a software update roughly once a month or more often, it’s one of the huge advantages of a Tesla, it continues to evolve and improve, many of the updates come from owners request, for instance dog mode was added when an owner asked for it, and a guy named Joe asked if the alert chines could be muted in the backseat because it woke his kids up, so that feature is called “Joe mode”.

 

The origin story of Joe Mode really is a fun one, although simple. Some guy named Joe complained to Elon Musk on Twitter that the security chimes in his Tesla were so loud that they were waking up his sleeping baby in the back seat. For the next software update, Tesla added “Joe Mode” to the lineup of updates.

https://getjerry.com/electric-vehicles/tesla-joe-mode#what-is-tesla-joe-mode

https://teslascope.com/software

Most years during the Holidays Musk often releases a fun bit of software, last year I believe it was the light show. You see EVERYTHING is controlled by the computer in a Tesla, every light, windows, trunk, etc. So as the car has an external speaker to play the Government mandated noise he wrote a software update for it to play holiday music and flash it’s lights, open and close doors, the trunk, windows etc.

I wonder what we will get this year?

 

Apparently some smart people have learned how to I guess network the cars and write their own light shows. You see a Tesla is unlike any other car made, it’s not just electric but a completely different way for a car to work

 

 

[hammdo]

My daughter loves the farting mode Tesla has— sense of humor for sure…

-Don

[A64Pilot]

My Tesla is undergoing the terrible dreaded recall as we speak, it’s in the garage downloading the latest update that has the recall in it, takes about 15 min and you can’t drive the car for 15 min until it’s complete and reboots. Yes you can reboot the car.

This update is the holiday update we get every year that contains several “presents” from Elon, therefore it’s bigger than the usual update, most of the time updates are just enhancements and bug fixes, similar I guess to the ones my Ipad gets.

It’s imbedded in an update, for those curious of what these updates include I’ve attached a link that contains the release notes of this particular update. It’s not the official Tesla website, it includes a previous update too, current one is 2023.44.30.1, this update is bigger than most, most updates don’t contain as many features.

https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2023.44.30.1/release-notes

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1815/new-features-announced-in-teslas-holiday-update-new-parking-visualizations-custom-locking-sounds-and-more

[Hank]

Sorry, but I don't see frequent updates to keep my car running properly as s "feature." To me, it was released too soon and these are bug patches. Have you enjoyed being a beta tester? Note that those people frequently receive financial compensation, but you seem happy to pay for the privilege. 

Now NHTSA and NTSB have found a bug responsible for a series of crashes, some fatal, and you still aren't bothered. 

Have another cup of kool-aid while the "upgrade" finishes downloading . . . .

[A64Pilot]

3 hours ago, Hank said:

Sorry, but I don't see frequent updates to keep my car running properly as s "feature." To me, it was released too soon and these are bug patches. Have you enjoyed being a beta tester? Note that those people frequently receive financial compensation, but you seem happy to pay for the privilege. 

Now NHTSA and NTSB have found a bug responsible for a series of crashes, some fatal, and you still aren't bothered. 

Have another cup of kool-aid while the "upgrade" finishes downloading . . . .

Sigh, you just aren’t going to see the truth no matter what.

It’s not a bug that needed fixing, it’s simply people are stupid and you can’t fix stupid. Despite a ridiculous amount of warnings that your still the driver and autopilot is just a driving aid like cruise control and the requirement for you to hold the steering wheel, idiots engage it and get absorbed in their phones or actually nod off while on autopilot, and apparently there have been crashes by these idiots, idiot proof isn’t obtainable, there will always be a bigger idiot. Let a neighbor drive the car, his immediate thought upon engaging Autopilot was could I defeat its monitoring by hanging a sock filled with quarters on the steering wheel, he is a bigger idiot apparently.

For the majority of people who aren’t stupid and understand it’s limitations and continue to pay attention it’s great, and statistically a Tesla on Autopilot has fewer accidents than one not on autopilot, look it up, it’s easy. There are I believe roughly 5 Million Tesla’s driving around, 200 hundred crashes a year out of 5 Million isn’t a bad number I don’t think. I think this years production may be close to two Million in just 2023?

Musk said years ago that Full Self Driving would stay in Beta until there was conclusive proof that it was at least ten times safer than the person driving

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1370/tesla-reveals-fsd-beta-accident-rate-and-compares-it-to-autopilot-and-national-average

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1260/tesla-s-autopilot-is-the-safest-driver-on-the-road

You can skew statistics of course by applying different filters until you get what you want but the above stats are raw unfiltered data.

I mean Oh my God in the last four years there have been almost 800 crashes with Autopilot on, something must be done.

How many thousands of crashes were there in the last four years without Autopilot on?

Obviously Tesla vehicles with Autopilot on have more accidents than other makes with advanced driving features, because first Autopilot can be used anywhere so it’s used much more often where GM’s for instance can only be used on mapped highways, but also there are likely at least ten times the number of Teslas on autopilot, because every Tesla has it standard where only a fraction of Fords and GM’s do.

The Recall isn’t to fix the software, it’s an attempt to stop stupid people from being stupid, which will fail, you can’t fix stupid, the crashes will continue or I think increase, just due to the number of cars increasing if nothing else.

So far as being a Beta tester, I’m fine with it, Tesla openly and freely admits that it’s in Beta, it’s actually in the software name, in capital letters. I think I had to acknowledge its Beta status in order to enable it back when I did three years ago. If you don’t like Autopilot, don’t use it. It’s not automatic or anything it has to be engaged and every time there is a warning that you have to stay alert and be prepared to take over at any time is displayed etc.

I use mine on every drive, the car drives itself more than I do, and yes every now and again out of the blue it will try to do something stupid and you have to take over which is as simple as touching the brake or turning the steering wheel. So yes if I was nodding off or absorbed in Tik Tok or whatever I would have been in an accident.

Personally I don’t think we will ever see Full Self Driving, I think it’s just too complex a problem to solve that drivers will always have to be in the loop. Driving, especially city and driving in the Suburbs is orders of magnitude more complex that making an airplane that can takeoff, fly to a destination and land itself.

Only idiots completely surrender control to a piece of software, especially after being warned numerous times not to. But it seems out of five million cars at least 200 a year do. Of course I’m sure the number is much higher, but most wake up in time and save the car before the crash, i’d expect it’s way more than 10 to 1, there has to be a great many near misses for each crash.

Just look on any Social Media where there are posts of sleeping drivers, people having sex, and people using Autopilot so they can drive when they are too drunk to walk.

I’m actually astonished there aren’t more crashes.

I would expect that the number of crashes will increase, because the increased production and sales rate year to year, and as crazy as this sounds but I bet the better Autopilot becomes the crashes will increase, not go down. Why? because the idiots will be more likely to ignore the warnings that’s why. Autopilot on especially country back roads used to be terrible, “Phantom braking” where for no apparent reason it would hit the brakes and couldn’t handle anything but gentle curves and if you let it would sometimes not slow down for a tight turn head down posting on Social Media while the car drives into a tight turn at 45 MPH would almost guarantee a crash. Due to the updates it’s orders of magnitude better, seemingly good enough for the idiots to surrender complete control to it.

One of my hero’s once said “trust but verify” Well trust but verify any Autopilot and it’s more likely you won’t crash.

You’re one of the people that argued that seat belts are unsafe, it’s safer in an accident to be thrown free of the vehicle, you just won’t accept that technology will make our lives better. I think your hate on EV’s in general and Tesla specifically funny.

Three years into owning the thing and I’d certainly buy it again, in fact I haven’t met a Tesla owner yet that wouldn’t but I’m certain that many wouldn’t because it didn’t meet their needs or perhaps they expected a magic full self driving car and it’s not.

You can drag a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

Go to Youtube, Search sleeping Tesla driver, they’re a bunch of hits including many stops by cops.

‘Heck this was seven years ago, you can’t fix stupid.

[Fly Boomer]

10 hours ago, Hank said:

Sorry, but I don't see frequent updates to keep my car running properly as s "feature." To me, it was released too soon and these are bug patches.

Have any Garmin equipment?

[A64Pilot]

On 12/17/2023 at 8:17 PM, Fly Boomer said:

Have any Garmin equipment?

He just won’t believe anything in an EV could be good.

99% of the updates are good things, most simple but nice, like the car “bings” now when the stoplight turns green, or turn the turn signal on and a window pops up on the display showing your blind spot, Tesla has seven cameras. Last update added traffic lights now show up on the map and speed cameras too. Awhile ago heavy traffic shows up as red lines on the map, dog mode was added so you can leave the dog in the car and the AC runs, but also the 15” displays shows a happy pooch and tells people you will be back soon and displays interior temp. Blow the horn now and you can select the cameras to record automatically or not, idea being of course many accidents begin with the horn being blown and having video evidence of the other guy at fault may be good to have.

Turn signal now you just place it partially down to change lanes, the car watches and knows when you have made the lane change and cancels the turn signal, you only need to partially push it down for ant turn now, also added last update have an accident and the flashers come on and the car uses your phone to call 911. Your phone is the cars key.

Oh and last update added a red shade in the blind spot display if a car or other object is there.

Autopilot used to be pretty bad. one poster posted it was like a nervous teenager driving and he was right, but it keeps getting better and better.

But the biggest thing about a Tesla isn’t that its electric, but that it’s extremely well integrated and as EVERYTHING is software driven as good ideas come up and the car is internet connected they can be pushed out to everyone that want them, you don’t have to install them they all have release notes.

An astonishing amount of things are customizable in the touch screen display, you have to sit down and play with one to understand.

A Normal car every single little option has its own buttons, knobs, switches scattered about all over the place with icons that I have no idea what they mean, on the tesla display it’s all written out in English or whatever language you speak. Oh, there are multifunction rollers / four way switches on the steering wheel with different functions, like adjusting mirrors or the steering wheel or the cruise control speed or music volume and you can turn on the windshield wipers and dim headlights I think, but as that’s all automatic I just let the car deal with lights and wipers.

There is no printed manual, it’s in the computer and many links in the screen will take you to that section of the manual

The entire front dash from side to side is one big AC vent, you control it via the touchscreen as an example. Only buttons in a Tesla is the four way flashers. the map lights and the seats have the normal switches on them mounted on the seat, that’s it, everything else is controlled through the screen or verbal, and most things you can just tell the car, for instance tell it your cold and the heat increases by three degrees or of course just tell it turn up the heat by three or however many degrees you want or just tell it set temp to 70 etc. tell it your butts cold and the seat heater comes on.

This is the shortest video I could find that shows you the HCAC system and it’s brief, but not at all comprehensive, but this is why you buy a Tesla, the cheap to drive and performance is icing on the cake.

Anyone who really is curious as you can rent the things now I think just go rent one for a couple of days and make up your own mind, youncan schedule a test drive, but one hour isn’t enough I don’t think to really tell.

 

[Hank]

8 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

He just won’t believe anything in an EV could be good.

They can be good. An EV fits his needs and usage patterns, but he can't accept that his chosen vehicle won't fit my usage patterns and needs.

Kind of like planes--some love the Cessnas, some need twins, some of us are quite content with a shirt body Mooney. Different needs, different planes, many happy pilots. 

[bonal]

There seems to be a couple of threads that are coming off like Tesla commercials.  I’m really happy for 64’s love affair with his Tesla and am in no way criticizing you for it.  But what it comes down to for me and I’m sure many folks that don’t line up for the EV cool aid is that fact that we are having our freedom to choose taken away.  As manufacturers are forced into Ev development they will stop producing better ICE innovations. And as a guy who obviously loves high performance cars and bikes you can’t deny how amazing ICE motors have become. For example a modern thousand cc sport bike makes over 175 horse power at the rear wheel and does so with incredible reliability. Many cars can do as well with their respective numbers.  Once again it’s about choice.  You mentioned LED light bulbs and were critical of people that didn’t line up for the technology.  Light is a very subjective thing and personally I much prefer the look of a 100 watt incandescent over its equivalent LED but now I no longer have a choice 64, I know your not thinking your Tesla is going to save the planet but I’m certain my old lightbulbs weren’t going to melt the polar caps.  And there are a lot of costs associated with the the installation of a home charge system.  Back in my days working as a distribution electric estimator for one of the largest utilities in the country I had to engineer many jobs for customers that needed electric panel upgrades.  Costs based on the tariffs could be in the tens of thousands if a customers additional load required a new transformer or possibly even a new pole to accommodate the larger XF.  This was also possible for customers who were installing solar panels if the added power generation was greater than the existing XF could handle.  And it was very common for customers who exceeded their solar demand would be required to pay an annual true up bill based on the co generation rates at the time. Often times in the thousands of dollars.  Oh and thanks to the stupid folks in my home state next year I’m not going to be able to purchase anything that runs on a small gas engine. I don’t want a f...ing battery powered chainsaw.  Personally I can’t stand most of this internet technology and the last thing I would want is to own a car that can record my behavior and share it with whoever thinks they need to know.  Personally I just don’t understand this modern mentality of sharing every aspect of someone’s life with well you get the gist.  Smart meters, appliances cars etc are just an easy way to open the door for government to control our behavior. 
old school guy for life.

[dkkim73]

That "fools think they're clever as their cars try to kill them" video is sobering. That type is soooo familiar to me from prior lives.

I don't have a Tesla. I know a number of enthusiasts. Setting aside the prior-facts green agenda (notwithstanding child strip mining of lithium and simply displacing the generation problem), I think a big segment of Tesla people are simply enthusiasts. It's a hobby. 

A64Pilot is a clearly widely experienced and discerning guy, and he loves his car. It really is very cool. It is a different way to approach the car problem. The product lifecycle of new features is so much faster than my boring 2015 Acura. Of course the Acura hasn't tried to kill me ;). Why not? It's boring, it's an Acura. That's what they do (except the NSX, both models of which are things of engineering beauty). The same stupid ECU behaviors will persist for years. I'm sure I'd enjoy a Tesla a lot more in some ways. Acceleration in any sporting EV is great. I was actually into EVs back in the old hobbyist days, used to visit local meets, etc. 

Tesla makes no sense for where I live, finances, and mission profile. It makes a lot of sense where I used to live *if I didn't already own a car*. 

It is worth factoring in the emotional aspect of vehicle ownership. I can enjoy my friends' model X's and P90's and 3's without having one myself. And I really don't want remote corporate control, or some smart 30 yr-old in Silicon Valley killing my family with an OTA update. I can't believe it's legal for people to do what they do with the self-driving feature. They need a good beating IMHO, or at least prosecution off those videos. 

D

 

[skydvrboy]

In case anyone wants to try out a Tesla, they have one as a courtesy car in Muskogee. 

[Will.iam]

I use turo to rent cars. It’s a neat concept and way cheaper than enterprise or hertz etc not to mention most rental places will not have a BMW M3 or a Porsche 911 but turo does. I rented a model X tesla and i was amazed at the instantaneous acceleration you get from the accelerator pedal. That split second it takes for an ICE to get the next full air gas mixture from it’s low rev state plus the down shift to get the rpm’s into the power zone, the X has already moved 1 to 2 car lengths away. It’s very immediate. What’s not immediate is the charging. Getting solar panels last year really woke me up to the big energy guzzlers like electric oven a/c units but those are nothing compared to the beast of energy requirement of that tesla X! It uses more power to charge than all of my other house hold devices combined! I fine it hilarious that California is making all their vehicles electric when they’re right now telling people not to use their air conditioner to cool their house because of grid overload. when all these people get electric cars to charge on the grid no one‘s gonna be able to drive anywhere! Already there are youtube videos of people lined up for blocks waiting on fast chargers. At 240 i could charge the X in 10 hours less if i don’t come home on E where as the super charger will do it in 35 mins but unlimited charges stoped with the 2020 model and i cringe what the cost would be when you have to pay. I’ll probably get a smaller tesla maybe Y version to use around the city but i like my hybrid car the best compromise of ease of quick fill up but also great miles per gallon range. 

[Fly Boomer]

3 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

I use turo to rent cars. It’s a neat concept and way cheaper than enterprise or hertz etc not to mention most rental places will not have a BMW M3 or a Porsche 911 but turo does. I rented a model X tesla and i was amazed at the instantaneous acceleration you get from the accelerator pedal. That split second it takes for an ICE to get the next full air gas mixture from it’s low rev state plus the down shift to get the rpm’s into the power zone, the X has already moved 1 to 2 car lengths away. It’s very immediate. What’s not immediate is the charging. Getting solar panels last year really woke me up to the big energy guzzlers like electric oven a/c units but those are nothing compared to the beast of energy requirement of that tesla X! It uses more power to charge than all of my other house hold devices combined! I fine it hilarious that California is making all their vehicles electric when they’re right now telling people not to use their air conditioner to cool their house because of grid overload. when all these people get electric cars to charge on the grid no one‘s gonna be able to drive anywhere! Already there are youtube videos of people lined up for blocks waiting on fast chargers. At 240 i could charge the X in 10 hours less if i don’t come home on E where as the super charger will do it in 35 mins but unlimited charges stoped with the 2020 model and i cringe what the cost would be when you have to pay. I’ll probably get a smaller tesla maybe Y version to use around the city but i like my hybrid car the best compromise of ease of quick fill up but also great miles per gallon range. 

If you have a 30- or 40-miles-per-day commute, and if the car is in the garage for eight or ten hours every night, you can charge on 120v.  The 240-volt charger is certainly more desirable, but usually you have to wire up a new circuit at 30 or 40 amps if you do a lot of driving.  The average daily mileage for Americans is (I think) 38 or 39 miles.  Depends on your use case.

[A64Pilot]

I have always been a performance enthusiast, I drag raced bikes professionally until I wanted to get married, I’ve road raced motorcycles recreationally, current cars are a Cadillac CTS-V, for years the fastest four door production car and a MazdaSpeed Miata, a very under appreciated track car, not blistering speed but a very well balanced car and cheap too and of course the daily driver is the Tesla.

‘I have absolutely nothing against ICE, I am a gear head, I love them, but I’m smart enough to recognize that they are being legislated out of existence and every year they get more and more expensive largely due to ever tightening pollution controls, Diesel's are a perfect example, I love Diesels but with Exhaust filters costing thousands and regeneration, Urea injection and excess EGR with EGR coolers that again cost thousands and leak coolant into the intake etc. My love is waning. Have you priced a new Diesel pickup lately?

Look no further than Fords 6.4L Powerstroke, a Navistar engine to see what I mean, but Cummins and others have had and are experiencing the same or similar problems.

I know I just bought a Diesel pusher Motorhome, and my concern is palatable, I may ditch it for a class C gas powered one, based on $$$ concerns with unreliable smog systems.

But I’ve always also been frugal, so when the Wife was driving darn near 100 miles a day to work the CTS-V wasn’t the right car for that and suddenly there was this cash for clunkers thing, so I took our old Z28 and turned it in after stripping the NOS system off it and bought a Toyota Prius, which turned out to be a great little car, but performance? It was quicker than I expected but it was well and truly an economy box, well made, trouble free but boring as hell to drive.

The Tesla is as frugal as the Prius, actually believe it or not but it’s even cheaper to drive than a Prius, and yet has great acceleration, track wise they do well based solely on HP, they could lean a lot from Mazda and maybe they will.

Tesla has zip nada nothing to do with our current Government, in fact if you have been paying attention at all Elon Musk has been butting heads hard right from the beginning and at most every turn against them, in fact I’d bet he has done in actuality more than any noisy blustering politician to quell their push towards Government knows best attitudes, so any hate thrown on Tesla on what’s going on with the current administration is sorely misplaced. The man knowingly and intentionally bought Twitter for way more than it was worth knowing he was going to lose a F ton of money due to his concern of ALL the social media was grossly one sided.

Was he effective? I have no idea as I don’t participate in any of that stuff. Although I figured that the day after he bought it there would be wholesale abandoning ship for the just launched new Twotter or whatever where the masses could continue to hear only what they wanted, but for some reason that didn’t happen?

[A64Pilot]

It took my neighbor all of 15 mins to wire in my wall charger, my cost? Normally I’d do it but he’s a licensed electrician so why not? I think I gave him $100 for his time and wire and think the breaker was maybe $20 or so but I don’t remember.

Charging on 120 is a joke, I’ve never done it but have heard you get 1 mile range per hour of charge, so charge for 12 hours, get 12 miles of range? That ain’t going to work for me.

If I wanted the car comes with a travel charger and long cord, I could plug into either the drier or the stove plug, yiu don’t need a wall charger, all you need is a 50 amp plug in the garage and your set. The travel charger accepts adapter pig tails to adapt it to just about any plug, my back up plan is to charge at an RV park, just rent a space and plug in, never had to do it, but it’s a back up plan, just in case I need to go deep in the woods of Alabama or something

Max amperage my car car pull to charge in 220 is 32 amps, the car shows you amps it’s pulling plus the input voltage. If for some reason that’s too much it’s easy to schedule charging when you won’t be cooking on the stove, heating water and running your drier all at the same time. Never been a problem for us and on the house circuit I have a pool with a 125,000 BTU heat pump that also pulls 30 amps, same as the car. I guess I’ve not charged when the pool heat pump is running as it runs from noon to 4PM if needed because that’s the pump schedule. You can also dial down the amps it will pull, I used to dial it down to 20 thinking anything lasts longer if not worked to full capacity but turned it up to 32 later

I have never, ever had to wait to Supercharge, now with Tesla allowing Ford’s and GM’s to charge there too, I guess that could happen, the car knows how busy each station is and will route you to a less busy one if needed. Note I don’t live in California, but I’m not surprised at anything that happens there. Florida isn’t California.

But here is the thing the haters don’t understand the average charge time is about 15 min where you get over 50% charge. If there are 15 chargers and charge time is 15 min then of course a car leaves every minute so even if there were 5 in line your wait would be 5 min. What stops someone from plugging in and just leaving it to go eat lunch? Idle fees that kick in when the car is charged I believe they are $1 a minute is what, sure I guess yiu can pay but if the station is full they double and I’m not paying $120 an hour for a parking spot.

I’ve not read the article but it’s supposed to say you can get 200 miles of range in 15min Supercharging, as I have the little battery mine probably might take 20 min for 200 miles range source, is Motor trend https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-it-take-to-charge-a-tesla/#:~:text=Tesla Superchargers are the quickest,typically takes about an hour.

Note I did just read it, in order to make it sound bad they timed a charge from 5% to 95%, something you would likely never do, even a lead acid batteries charge acceptance rate drops drastically above 80% or so, the last 20% takes much longer than the first 80% did.

You never fully charge, because it would take four times as long and is hard on the battery besides, so when you see the rated range of an EV, understand you don’t really get that range, plan on 70% or a little less due to charge time and it’s hard on a battery to fully charge it. Tesla recommends no more than 80% for daily driving and I’d get real nervous if I’m single digit charge so 80-10 for my sanity gives you 70%

This explains it, they only apply when the station is at 50% capacity and double if it’s full. you get alerts on your phone when it gets close to charged if you went for coffee or something.https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharger/fees

Charger below, 2 ft wire to the box directly underneath that's there so we could drill through a 2x4 that the wall charger mounts on, then to the wall charger, three wires, two hot one ground

 

[Will.iam]

It was 2 miles per hour on 120 for the X and from 10% to 80% in 35 mins at the super charger. The model i rented was a 2020 and had the free for life charges so the owner passed those saving on to me. I just wanted to see when i charged it at home what it would get. 

[A64Pilot]

Not to beat it to death but to try to make others understand. The wall “charger” isn’t a charger, it’s just a fancy relay / switch is all, the actual charger is built into the car, the built in charger of course converts 220VAC to I believe 400VDC to charge the cars battery.

A Supercharger is direct DC charging, they come in two flavors, 150,000 Watts and 250,000 Watts. Yes that’s a God Awful lot of power, an incredibly huge monstrous amount of power especially when you figure a dozen or mor cars could be charging simultaneously. So surely you can’t just put Superchargers anywhere, they have to be located near some kind of big trunk power line or something that can supply that kind of power.

‘Now to try to put how much power a car uses I’ll give you our numbers in one year to drive a little over 15,000 miles We used 3703 KWH hours pic attached

Average household uses 10,602 KWH in a year https://www.energybot.com/blog/average-energy-consumption.html#:~:text=The EIA aggregates data for,about 886 kWh per month.

So we used about 1/3 of the power of the average household. So every three cars is another household to provide power for. You can also see it costs us about $50 a month to drive those 15,000 miles a year.

Now any idiot can easily understand that electrical capacity simply doesn’t exist and near as I can tell there seems to be no real plans to increase it, so what are these fools that are demanding the demise of ICE vehicles thinking? I have no idea but suspect they have a plan and it amounts to a select few getting very rich.

But then I guess I’m a conspiracy nut.

 

[Hank]

Based on previous guidelines (don't run below 20%, don't fast charge above 80%), your road trips will require charging at no more than 60% of the advertised EV range. So for the Super Tesla X, with 310 mile range, you'll need to stop at chargers no further apart than 186 miles. This can include significant deviations away from your route to reachnthe charger, likely in town with traffic, so that 8 hour drive will easily turn into 12 hours.

My cheap base-model Nissan Altima easily exceeds 600 miles on 17 gallons, and will make a typical 8-hour trip without a fuel stop if I start with the tank full.

EVs shine where they are used for daily commutes and recharged at home, and the driver either never travels, only flies out of a nearby commercial airport or has a gas-powered second vehicle to travel with. But few people can get a home charger installed as quickly or inexpensively as A64Pilot--they pay the going rate, several AMUs on top of the higher EV price, neither of which bother him.

[A64Pilot]

17 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

It was 2 miles per hour on 120 for the X and from 10% to 80% in 35 mins at the super charger. The model i rented was a 2020 and had the free for life charges so the owner passed those saving on to me. I just wanted to see when i charged it at home what it would get. 

The older cars charge slower it takes a Model 3 and I assume the newer cars to use the 250,000W that the new chargers can make

Again these idiots charge from 3 to 100% to prove the high power charger doesn't work but it does show who’s capable of using the higher power

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32132062/tesla-250-kw-vs-150-kw-supercharger-tested/

[A64Pilot]

14 minutes ago, Hank said:

Based on previous guidelines (don't run below 20%, don't fast charge above 80%), your road trips will require charging at no more than 60% of the advertised EV range. So for the Super Tesla X, with 310 mile range, you'll need to stop at chargers no further apart than 186 miles. This can include significant deviations away from your route to reachnthe charger, likely in town with traffic, so that 8 hour drive will easily turn into 12 hours.

My cheap base-model Nissan Altima easily exceeds 600 miles on 17 gallons, and will make a typical 8-hour trip without a fuel stop if I start with the tank full.

EVs shine where they are used for daily commutes and recharged at home, and the driver either never travels, only flies out of a nearby commercial airport or has a gas-powered second vehicle to travel with. But few people can get a home charger installed as quickly or inexpensively as A64Pilot--they pay the going rate, several AMUs on top of the higher EV price, neither of which bother him.

If anyone actually pays several thousand dollars for a 50 amp plug to be installed, we’ll then I have no answer for you.

I guess these same people pay $100 to have their car washed and lawn mowed.

So far in my travels the chargers are very close to the highway and most often located close to a coffee shop, convince store etc. I’ve never had to drive to one yet. But I don’t do that much car traveling, traveling is the Money’s “special purpose” I suspect your 186 miles per charge is pretty close, that’s about every three hours. We stop just long enough for her to walk the dog and maybe get a drink in the store

Yes we have a second car, who doesn’t?

On edit, yes EV’s shine when used every day to commute and charged at home, which coincidentally is probably what the overwhelming majority of people do

[Hank]

3 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

Not to beat it to death but to try to make others understand. The wall “charger” isn’t a charger, it’s just a fancy relay / switch is all, the actual charger is built into the car, the built in charger of course converts 220VAC to I believe 400VDC to charge the cars battery.

. . . .

So we used about 1/3 of the power of the average household. So every three cars is another household to provide power for . . . .

Now any idiot can easily understand that electrical capacity simply doesn’t exist and near as I can tell there seems to be no real plans to increase it, so what are these fools that are demanding the demise of ICE vehicles thinking? I have no idea but suspect they have a plan and it amounts to a select few getting very rich.

Sure, the charger is in the car. And I have four duplex power outlets in my garage,  none of which will charge an EV because they're 120V on a 15 Amp breaker. Wire to run a 50-amp circuit is several dollars per foot, and my service entry panel is in thenbasement at the opposite end if the house, because that's where Alabama Power ran the line to when the original owner built the house. Adding 50-amp 220V service to my garage will be pricey, because most of my basement is finished, including the ceiling that the wire has to run behind . . . .

The plan that the people pushing the EV conversion so hard is that they will be firmly in control of what we are permitted to do, and that kind of power is accompanied by massive amounts of money. We're all supposed to follow along, because we they are smarter than us, know what is good for us, and AR looking out for our real best interests much better than we can look out for ourselves, by ourselves. Once cars are electric and travel is restricted, the same will happen to airline seats, and our little planes will all go away for lack of fuel and no viable electric aircraft good for more than one slow hour's flight . . . Because our masters care for us and are watching out for us as they jet around the world from one 5-star resort to another . . . .

[Hank]

6 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

Yes we have a second car, who doesn’t?

Government's current goal is for your second car to also be electric, and for your noisy, polluting, gas-powered airplane to be recycled into beer cans, to placate the masses who don't have one . . . . . . 

[A64Pilot]

While I hope your overreacting a little, I worry you may be correct.’

I base that on the recent COP 28 conference.

https://unfccc.int/news/cop28-agreement-signals-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-fossil-fuel-era#:~:text=UN Climate Change News%2C 13,cuts and scaled-up finance.

The Sheik who was hosting the conference said this and was shouted down by the activists

In comments first reported on Sunday by The Guardian and investigative journalism organization the Centre for Climate Reporting, al-Jaber, COP28 president and United Arab Emirates climate chief, suggested a fossil fuel phase out would not allow sustainable development “unless you want to take the world back into caves.”

Of course he’s right if we turn off fossil like the idiots want we will in fact be living in caves again.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/04/cop28-president-sparks-outcry-after-controversial-fossil-fuel-comments.html#:~:text=2%2C 2023.&text=Dubai%2C UNITED ARAB EMIRATES — COP28,the United Nations climate conference.

 

I don’t understand what the loons think, how this magic transition is just supposed to happen?

I’m still waiting on the results of the huge amounts of money the Government is spending on a charging infrastructure, when one already exists and it’s a money maker, no subsidies needed.

I’m also wanting to see the results of the huge money that the Government is spending to bring high speed internet to rural areas, when such a system already exists Starlink, guess what? It’s also a moneymaker, no subsidies needed.

No wonder they hate Musk, you know Elon was on the Governments electric car panel until the current administration kicked him off, you know the at the time only actual EV manufacturer, what could he know compared to Ford and GM?

The quarter that our current President made the claim that GM lead the world led the world in EV’s Tesla made 300,000, GM 26.

From this article which is Not a right wing publication https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/elon-musk-accuses-biden-of-ignoring-tesla-but-says-he-would-do-the-right-thing-if-invited-to-white-house.html

“The notion of a feud is not quite right. Biden has pointedly ignored Tesla at every turn and falsely stated to the public that GM leads the electric car industry, when in fact Tesla produced over 300,000 electric vehicles last quarter and GM produced 26,” Musk said in the email.

Tesla announced in January that it produced and delivered over 300,000 vehicles globally in the fourth quarter. General Motors reported U.S. sales of 26 electric vehicles, including one Hummer pickup and 25 Bolt EV models during the fourth quarter.”

So I don’t know what’s going on but suspect it’s not just pushing EV’s it’s much deeper than that if it was just pushing EV’s then Tesla and Musk would be their Wonderkin, not red headed step child.

If your curios Google Biden Musk feud or similar and see what you find, so I suspect it’s not really about electric cars, not in truth or about windmills or solar panels whatever, I think it’s about who gets the money for those things, not the things themselves