1995 M20R checklist

[Jhj123]

Hey guys,

 

‘wondering if anyone has a checklist for an ovation I can use. I saw the 2007 M20R checklist in the downloads section but thought I’d ask if anyone has another one for a ‘95.

 

thanks. 

[Jeff_S]

I wouldn't think they would be that much different.  It's fundamentally the same airplane, and from my experience even the 2007 checklist doesn't address the G1000 differences in any meaningful way.  You could always try out the CheckMate product, which is what I use and was not specific to any later model.

[PT20J]

You might consider making your own. Part of the value is reviewing the POH and deciding what to include and what to omit as well as the order. It’s easy to throw in everything but the kitchen sink. It’s better to start with the goal of making it as short as possible and thinking carefully about the reason you put each item on the list. 
https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/making-a-list/

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[Niko182]

I made my own. This was the first version i made a couple years back. When i get home I'll post the new one that has the things i forgot on this one, like circuit breakers, and updates for a glass cockpit instead of a 6 pack.

[G-SLOT]

2 hours ago, PT20J said:

You might consider making your own. Part of the value is reviewing the POH and deciding what to include and what to omit as well as the order. It’s easy to throw in everything but the kitchen sink. It’s better to start with the goal of making it as short as possible and thinking carefully about the reason you put each item on the list. 

Completely agree with this advice.

Speaking for myself and I suspect most others, I know how to start the engine and run it up and I don't need a checklist to remind me to do basic things like checking oil pressure after start or waiting for suitable temps before runup. A sensible flow is very effective but the time when I most want a memory jogger is pre-take off. I've created the following list by sitting in the plane, figuring out what's important and putting it in a sensible order determined by location. I've made the list as physically small as possible and pasted it to the pilot and co-pilot sides of my panel (if I'm flying with someone else, I usually involve them by getting them to read out the items). Devising a list yourself that works for you will make you more 'at one' with the machine.

Runup
Doors/Window
Seat Latch
Emergency Gear
Trim
Fuel Selector
Flaps
Alternate Air
TKS
Boots Pumps
Pitot Heat
Flight Controls
Autopilot
Speed Brakes

Alternator
Ignition
Oxygen
HSI
Annunciators
Avionics
Transponder
ELT
Circuit Breakers
Lights
Brief
GUMPS
Time
 

[midlifeflyer]

Really, as others said, if you are not going to use the manufacturer's checklist from the manual, create your own. Even the FAA is on board with that (see video).  That's what I did (I don't share it because it is highly customized. A fried of mine once borrowed by 172 checklist and found it unusable  Besides, your airplane might be equipped differently than someone else's. I have found that to be a big issue instructing. 

 

 

[V1VRV2]

Definitely make your own checklist. If you use ForeFlight there is a supplied checklist for the M20R that can be modified. Each plane has different installed equipment. For example ... Each autopilot has it’s own preflight procedure. TKS systems have checklists. Make your own. Starting point if you don’t have Foreflight are the  checklists in the POH.

[Ross Statham]

1 hour ago, V1VRV2 said:

Definitely make your own checklist. If you use ForeFlight there is a supplied checklist for the M20R that can be modified. Each plane has different installed equipment. For example ... Each autopilot has it’s own preflight procedure. TKS systems have checklists. Make your own. Starting point if you don’t have Foreflight are the  checklists in the POH.

Yes, yes, yes!  I have a trifold two sided for my 78 J in a Word format if it’ll help.  Stathamross at gmail.  Happy to send your way to tweak, fix, improve.

[PT20J]

11 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

Really, as others said, if you are not going to use the manufacturer's checklist from the manual, create your own. Even the FAA is on board with that (see video).  That's what I did (I don't share it because it is highly customized. A fried of mine once borrowed by 172 checklist and found it unusable  Besides, your airplane might be equipped differently than someone else's. I have found that to be a big issue instructing. 

 

 

One point that sometimes causes confusion is an incorrect belief that the manufacturer’s checklist included in the AFM/POH is FAA approved and you cannot eliminate items from it. The only part of the AFM/POH that is FAA approved is the Limitations section. There is no regulatory prohibition against adding/deleting/changing item the manufacturer’s checklist. 

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[N201MKTurbo]

My 67 F had a checklist sticker on the panel. It had everything you needed. It had about 5 items for takeoff and about 5 items for landing.

[midlifeflyer]

8 hours ago, PT20J said:

One point that sometimes causes confusion is an incorrect belief that the manufacturer’s checklist included in the AFM/POH is FAA approved and you cannot eliminate items from it. The only part of the AFM/POH that is FAA approved is the Limitations section. There is no regulatory prohibition against adding/deleting/changing item the manufacturer’s checklist. 

Skip

That aside, as the video points out, this is a big safety issue because of upgraded avionics. One of the worst offenders is Diamond. The Diamond DA40 XLS —  the one with the G1000 system and a 2-bladed prop — uses the same main POH as the one without them. All the G1000 and new prop stuff is in the AFMS. Substantial differences in terms of performance, checklist items, and even limitations. I actually got into a (brief) argument with another instructor over this. We were working on a quiz and checklist for the airplane and I kept changing things. Finally he said, "Read the POH!" I replied, "Read the right part of the POH!" 

[Ross Statham]

Mooney N6201Y Checklist 2020-10a.docx

54 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

That aside, as the video points out, this is a big safety issue because of upgraded avionics. One of the worst offenders is Diamond. The Diamond DA40 XLS —  the one with the G1000 system and a 2-bladed prop — uses the same main POH as the one without them. All the G1000 and new prop stuff is in the AFMS. Substantial differences in terms of performance, checklist items, and even limitations. I actually got into a (brief) argument with another instructor over this. We were working on a quiz and checklist for the airplane and I kept changing things. Finally he said, "Read the POH!" I replied, "Read the right part of the POH!" 

Well said, Skip.  I've created new checklists for every aircraft I've owned, as well as those I flew often enough to warrant doing so.  Never had a flight instructor try to bust my chops over any I've created myself, but as long as we're covering what's in the POH-- it's only logical.  For example, I now include things like "iPad mounted and connected?" as well as some manifold pressure settings during different phases of setting up an approach to landing and reminders such as "fuel pump off" after climb-out.   A great example: I have listed "Cold Start" "Hot Start" and "Warm Start" procedures listed for my bird.  These listed procedures are based on trial and error and make starting the aircraft SO much easier for me and others.   (Oh-- and I learned these cold/warm/hot-start procedures from others here on MooneySpace three years ago.  You guys have done a great deal to help me and others learn "best practice" on a full range of topics.  It's why we have this site.)

[PT20J]

For anyone interested in what the FAA thinks should be in a checklist, here's a link to a guidance document for Part 121 and Part 135 where the FAA is involved in approving (Part 121) and reviewing (Part 135) checklists.

https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8400.10 Air Transp Ops Insp Handbk/Volume 3. AIR OPERATOR TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION/Vol 3-Chap 15-Sec 5.htm

Of course, the most important thing with any checklist is to actually use it at the appropriate time:

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[Jhj123]

Thanks guys! 
 

I am customizing the checklist as we speak. 

[Niko182]

Here's the updated one for the Glass.

1999 Mooney M20S FINAL 1.pdf

[Jhj123]

7 hours ago, Niko182 said:

Here's the updated one for the Glass.

1999 Mooney M20S FINAL 1.pdf 90.27 kB · 1 download

Thank you kindly!

[V1VRV2]

You using ForeFlight? ForeFlight has its own checklist for the M20R. You can also modify it. Don’t forget checklists for added equipment like autopilots, TKS and other installed equipment.

[Jhj123]

2 hours ago, V1VRV2 said:

You using ForeFlight? ForeFlight has its own checklist for the M20R. You can also modify it. Don’t forget checklists for added equipment like autopilots, TKS and other installed equipment.

Yes I am, that’s my next step, to modify the ForeFlight checklist.  I also want to have a paper backup in the plane. 
 

As a brand new and first time owner, I’m learning slowly but surely. 

[Will.iam]

On 1/24/2021 at 7:41 PM, Jhj123 said:

Hey guys,

 

‘wondering if anyone has a checklist for an ovation I can use. I saw the 2007 M20R checklist in the downloads section but thought I’d ask if anyone has another one for a ‘95.

 

thanks. 

Reviving an old thread as i accidentally formatted the checklist sd and need another copy. Where is the download section on mooneyspace? I would just used this one as we have an ovation 3 that we need the checklist.ace file. It’s a 2007 i think as well. Or if anybody and just send me the thier file would be greatly appreciated.