I guess I’m out of the cheap b@st@rds club..

[StevenL757]

9 hours ago, ragedracer1977 said:

I might keep the avidyne, not sure yet.  See if I can get the radar working again. Might be worth doing, might not. 

And yeah, it will be going back to Tony every year.  If we get back to normal.... We wrapped up this annual to coincide with Oshkosh next year.  And we'll try to keep it that way.  I'll go to OSH, at the end of OSH, fly it to Tony's.  Come back and pick it up in a couple weeks.  

It will be a good excuse to go to OSH every year and make taking it to TAS a breeze.

Yeah, for me that would be throwing good money after bad.  We had the same radar in the T310R I flew.  When it worked, it worked great.  When it broke...another story.

If you want radar capability, I'd personally invest in the GWX75 or a GWX80...although neither is cheap.  Interfaces perfectly with your G500.

As far as annuals, I'm told Tony does allow owner-assisted annuals, so going forward, I would consider taking a bit of time off around annual time and participating...even if for only a few days.  Far better than just dropping your airplane off, you learn so much about it.  I just completed my 9th owner-assisted on the Ovation, and not only have I learned a ton about the airplane, I save a bit of money per an agreement with my IA about the percentage of work I perform equating to a certain amount deducted from the annual core cost.  At this juncture in that relationship, I'm doing over half the annual items myself under his supervision.  Helps me troubleshoot and make more accurate problem statements to a mechanic/IA so I reach a resolution quicker.  Talk to Marla or Tony.  Bob Thomason from TCF can also shed some light.

Steve

[bonal]

On July 13, 2020 at 7:33 PM, cliffy said:

The only thing I have to say besides congrats is

Blue line Blue line Blue line

Please expound, SEL PP only

[Andy95W]

2 hours ago, bonal said:

Please expound, SEL PP only

Good question.

"Blue Line" is marked on the airspeed indicator of all multi-engine aircraft.  It is the best rate-of-climb airspeed with one engine inoperative.  

Most GA twins can barely climb with only one engine, holding blue line gives you the most feet per minute with an engine failure.

The initial climb in a twin is at blue line, just in case you lose an engine, up to an altitude when you're safe to accelerate to a cruise climb speed.

[carusoam]

2 hours ago, Andy95W said:

Good question.

"Blue Line" is marked on the airspeed indicator of all multi-engine aircraft.  It is the best rate-of-climb airspeed with one engine inoperative.  

Most GA twins can barely climb with only one engine, holding blue line gives you the most feet per minute with an engine failure.

The initial climb in a twin is at blue line, just in case you lose an engine, up to an altitude when you're safe to accelerate to a cruise climb speed.

want to mention what can happen when departing on one engine and airspeed falls below the blue line.... 
 

This would be an engine failure on departure, left unattended a slow speed develops quickly...

The quirky imbalance of aerodynamics takes over...

The number one reason, I did not pursue a twin rating... I’m not worthy... 

Currency is everything...
 

Best regards,

-a-

[StevenL757]

6 hours ago, Andy95W said:

Good question.

"Blue Line" is marked on the airspeed indicator of all multi-engine aircraft.  It is the best rate-of-climb airspeed with one engine inoperative.  

Most GA twins can barely climb with only one engine, holding blue line gives you the most feet per minute with an engine failure.

The initial climb in a twin is at blue line, just in case you lose an engine, up to an altitude when you're safe to accelerate to a cruise climb speed.

And know the damn "drill" inside and out.  Be able to recite it in your sleep.

Pitch for blue, Mixtures, Props, Throttles.....

(not directed at @Andy95W)    :-)

[cliffy]

Blue line as mentioned is Best Rate of Climb SE. 

Vmc (Velocity  minimum control) is the airspeed where a twin engine airplane can still   "fly" but with full control input to stay in straight ahead flight. No climb, not much control but barely fly.

Vmc is lower than Blue line

All twins will actually lift off the ground at a speed much less than Vmc

If such is done and an engine quits  there is not enough rudder power and/or aileron  power to prevent the airplane from rolling toward the dead engine clear over on its back and doing a high dive into a smoking hole. Such is the demise of many twins flown by non-current or low trained pilots.  It happens all the time.

Twins are safe if flown within their performance parameters by competent pilots. Doesn't matter if its a Twin Comanche, MU-2 or 767. They all will fly on one engine WITHIN their design  parameters. Some can climb to the mid teens on one engine and some quit at 4000' density altitude.  The pilot HAS to know the capability of any twin on one engine to be safe. 

Blue line gives enough control authority and airspeed to be able to handle any engine failure and continue in controlled flight  to go around and complete a safe landing IF below the service ceiling of the one engine performance capability. 

I was taught and i have taught many to never lift off at Vmc or lower and have no climb until you reach blue line. Anytime you T/O at an airport where you need to lift off and climb below blue line it is  a calculated risk that you won't lose and engine until you can accelerate to blue line and above. 

In the case of lifting off at a slow speed (below Vmc) your ONLY chance if an engine fails is to bring the good engine to idle and land straight ahead PERIOD. There is NO other option when down below Vmc speed. Between Vmc and Blue Line you MIGHT be able to make it if you're real good. Probably not

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by cliffy

[carusoam]

Cliffy,

You nailed that with efficiency!  
 

Covered everything, without any spare words!

Thank you.

Best regards,

-a-

[N201MKTurbo]

If you lose an engine during a maximum performance takeoff, pull both throttles back and pretend you just had an engine failure in your Mooney.

[amillet]

I look forward to reforming Q element for Oshkosh.  Cowboy, me and you in the 310

[Ibra]

On 7/15/2020 at 5:52 AM, ragedracer1977 said:

It wasn't accidental lol

Just provocative 
 

Awesome and congrats for that huge upgrade ! 

On long en-route flying check hours on each engine and do gym workout on your feet leg that sits near the low engine hours, for takeoff on short runways you can always downgrade to Mooney (unlike MEL/MEP tests where you have to fly OEI pattern or die trying to please examiners )

 

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Edited July 16, 2020 by Ibra