Don't Stall , Control Yaw; Stall, Spin and Upset Recovery

[carl]

 A report on flying at Dylan Aviation located in Indiantown Florida.

 

I picked up a rare flight from Latrobe pa to Fort Lauderdale on Spirit Airline for 89 bucks, round trip. Leaving Friday and returning   Monday.

I had some minor real estate details to tend to.

Next I emailed Jim Alsip, at Dylan Aviation to see if he could work me in for Saturday.

He said, with the Hurricane coming a student had canceled and I could take their spot.  Hurricane? I live in Pa, I don’t know what the weather is in Florida.

So I arrive at Indiantown, in the middle of the boonies, near lake Okeechobee at 8:45am, about an hour fifteen minute rom Pompano Beach ,where I am staying.

 

I signed up for the Stall, Spin and Upset Recovery

Two 2-Hour Lessons: Total cost – $480

 

Stall, Spin and Upset Recovery

Two 2-Hour Lessons: Total cost – $480

An ooh shucks moment!

Are you anxious during slow flight and when practicing stalls because you are apprehensive about spins? Do not fear the spin; understand it. Spins are just another thing airplanes do. Enjoy a half day of fun with lessons that could save your life. During this half day course offered at Dylan Aviation School of Aerobatics and Airmanship you will:

·         Recovery from accelerated and climbing stalls.

·         Use top rudder to recover from a nose low unusual attitude.

·         Learn to use a zero g maneuver to recover from a nose high unusual attitude.

·         Perform and recover from one and two turn spins.

·         Experience and recover from a notorious and much feared base to final turn skidding spin.

Stall, Spin and Upset Recovery Training is a flight training best buy.

 

 You can see this at

http://www.dylanaviation.com/

I loved it, especially after I got over the nausea. ( well ,when I got home then)

 I was there from 8:45 till about 1:30, ground school, flying, ground school and flying, debriefing.

There is some ground school, did I say that.

There is some flying, Super Decathlon (8KCAB); I did get sick both times.

Sick, I was not expecting it, but Jim was and said I lasted longer than most people. I did not throw up, but was massively diaphoretic and experiencing nausea when we landed each time.  

I really believe in the first ten minutes he taught me things that would save my life. Simple things,

Planes don’t stall, pilots do. Let go of the yoke.

Planes don’t spin, pilots do. Let go of the yoke.

Your first reaction is to pull back on the yoke. This kills you, let go of the yoke.

Train to let go of the yoke .

Don’t Stall (let go of the yoke) and control Yaw (what the heck is that).

Recovery from accelerated and climbing stalls. I may have this wrong, but his Decathlon, turning left will stall accelerated and recover ( let go of the stick) to level, and turning right it will recover from the stall ( let go of the yoke ) in what appeared a 90 degree bank turn , then you recover with top rudder  maneuver .

Use top rudder to recover from a nose low unusual attitude.  I say smash the top rudder and push the stick in that direction , Jim keep yelling “are you trying to break my plane “,   “No I just don’t want to die”

I am surprised how fast the onset of a spin is and how fast and simple the recovery is. I still do not understand how you lose 800 feet in the recovery.  It appears instantaneous ,recovery and bam, you are down 800 feet.

Learn to use a zero g maneuver to recover from a nose high unusual attitude.

"He's going vertical, so am I" Goose: "We're going ballistic Mav, go get him". TOP GUN

 

  We are pulled up into an extremely nose high attitude (vertical) pitched in a wing high or wing low attitude, maybe we are going inverted, I don’t know, close the throttle let go of the stick and you are ballistic, like a bullet, unloaded wing and g s, zero g .pulling at the top straps, speed decelerates, nose comes down toward the horizon, now you have a nose low wing high, top rudder recover. Sweet. Really fun. Some people call that the vomit comet, but that’s not true,…… Spins are .

Perform and recover from one and two turn spins.

Let go of everything and the plane will recover itself, the only reason it is spinning is because it is stalled and the pilot made that happen by pulling back.

“Ok, Carl pull the stick back into your stomach all the way, hold it, hold it, hard right rudder.”   Pitch over the top  I think we are inverted , I don’t know.   “And recover “  Spinning……. opposite rudder, let go of the stick, get off the rudder, and pull out.  Huh? Where  am I . I lost 1000 feet. “Do it again, I want under 800 feet altitude loss. “Jim Says.

This repeated event is why  I am here and what make me nauseous. We do it again. And Again.

 

Experience and recover from a notorious and much feared base to final turn skidding spin.

Well really you can’t do it . So before you spin, recover with fast top rudder maneuver .

We do this over and over . But I am sick now so we heard back .

I teach respiratory therapy , I tell my students ,who are preparing for their board test, they will black out and not remember much of the first 30 minutes, the pressure is so great. So go back to the beginning after you finish , when your mind is clearer.

I am sure I don’t remember much.

I remember Don’t Spin. Don’t pull back( let go of the yoke ) . Don’t stall ,control yaw.

 

AOA , we all have them built in , it is the sight view out the front windscreen. . We need to look out the front window more, especially on turns in the pattern, to watch and control yaw.

Indiantown fla, in the middle of nowhere.  So I am looking into buying some property there now, it is a strange magical place. Hangars 350 per month ( crazy expensive)  .

Jim does all kind of training, I am thinking of a tailwheel sign off, only because I really liked slipping the plane in the pattern.

 

 

 

 

[carusoam]

Nice description, Carl.

how long did the stomach take to recover each day?

best regards,

-a-

Edited September 7, 2015 by carusoam

[RobertGary1]

Aerobatics are a lot of fun. As a Cfi I had to demonstrate spins. So I decided I'd do all my spins inverted. Pulled up through an Immelmann and at the top stalled inverted and kicked in the spin. Remember stall recovery is to pull back, not push forward.  The inverted fuel system cut out but once you recover the motor kicks right back in and you have so much energy from the nose down recovery you don't have to worry about power. I do miss having an aerobatic aircraft. 

 

-Robert 

[Raptor05121]

I would love to learn something like this. I've learned the basics of stalling and have done a couple spins in a 152 during my primary training, but I would like some advance recovery techniques for use in the Mooney. Nice post.

[carl]

it took about 30 minutes to get my stomach feeling better , then we went up and did it again. 

 

I did not eat anything before flying . 

Maybe it is better if you do . After we were done I stopped at Mc donalds and got a burger , I felt better right away then.

[DXB]

Coincidentally, to help pass the time while my plane languishes in the avionics shop, I did some stall/ spin/ upset training yesterday.  A couple of aileron rolls were thrown in for safe measure.   Instructor was Jim Mancini out of South Jersey Regional, also in a Super Decathlon:   http://www.firstaerogroup.com

All my stomach could handle was 1 hr hobbs time at $212.  Worth every penny, simply outstanding experience with a high class, top notch instructor !!

[RobertGary1]

One hour is actually a very long aerobatic flight. 30 minutes is common in acrobatic training. Partly because so few planes can a carry an instructor and more than an hours fuel and still be under the acrobatic weight limitations. 

[carl]

i did  .6 hours then landed . 

and we got gas 

 

then did .6 more . 

 

[DXB]

Did mine all at once- a short break might have helped my endurance.  We had planned to do 1.2-1.3 if I hadn't started to get queasy.  Had coffee and a banana before going up - don't know if this made any difference.  

[carl]

I think food does help. 

 

 but I am not ready to test my theory.

 

 

[Loogie]

I told a chaplain that was getting a ride in my F16 trunk to eat bananas, they taste the same going in or out. He said I want to pull 9 Gs , do acro and go Mach I, even if I'm dieing back here, I may never have a chance to do this again.

 

He hung in there for the loop and barrel roll, but lost it in the aileron roll...manager to buck up for the 9G turn, and we headed back at Mach I...msn accomplished. He did tell me later bananas tasted different going out, so much for that theory...

most folks not used to acro, loose it..

 

Loogie

[RobertGary1]

I was always told to take your shoe off if you feel sick. Apparently the contents on your stomach is related to your shoe size. That's why it's cool to learn from old ww2 guys! :)

[DXB]

Aileron rolls at the beginning did nothing but make me cocky - only 2-2.5 g's but convinced me I'm a fighter pilot.  Then 3 stall-spin recoveries in a row left me wondering why the rudder wasn't stopping my head from spinning. 

[bonal]

Many years ago I had the opportunity to go for a ride in a Cristen Eagle out of Hayward CA. We flew out to the practice area east of LVK and the pilot Erve (he was a competition aerobic pilot) flew his entire routine we pulled over 6 G's on several manuvers and I never even got the least bit nauseous. The thing he did that made it so was as we entered each manuver he would instruct me on where to fix my eyes through each part of the event. He also narrated as he controlled the airplane. It was a fantastic experience one I will never forget.

[carl]

I watched American Ninga Warrior , where they do a log roll , I am now amazed how they even stand up. 

 

this is out of context but ;( what about a BFR??)

""""I am glad you enjoyed the flying Carl.

My TW endorsement course is 5 lessons (total cost $1250).

The 3 lesson short course you refer to is based upon completion of my complete emergency maneuvers course.

I always provide a BFR when I fly two or more lessons with a customer.  JIM """

 

I might go do it again . but maybe I try the New Jersey trainer ( no it will be too old by then) 

 

and i'll eat bananas first

Edited September 10, 2015 by carl

[triple8s]

The CFII who helped me through my IFR training is insistent on his IFR students taking unusual attitude recovery and intro to aerobatics. I learned a few things like, almost anyone can get sick, no one has to get sick, and a student doesn't learn much while they are sick. He has a knack for knowing how much is enough and how to help his students get over air sickness. So if I want to learn more about aerobatic flight regimes I guess he would be the guy I'd call. If I want to spend money to get laughed at while I am getting sick I could find some college boys to go drink with but I'm too damn old for that.