OP ED-"Little Timmy Wants to Know Why Nobody Likes Airplanes Anymore?

[frcabot]

BHO = Best Hot Officeholder. Point out by quoting where I am "whining," I'm curious.

[scottfromiowa]

I'm just practicing my spelling. That appropriate use of words thing is just, you know, hard.

[scottfromiowa]

Best Hostage Outter...

[scottfromiowa]

Anyone watch the show "The Americans"?

Quite the scene on fitting a dead spy into a suitcase....

Graphic.

Still hearing the sounds of those joints.

She fits!

[John Pleisse]

 I thought I was laughing at your phobias.

 

 

You mean my defense of Christianity? Your were.

[John Pleisse]

 

 

 

 

Nope, still here but more laughing my ass up at how upset John is that gays can marry. As far as Christians not interfering... Um, the Mormon Church was the biggest donor to Prop 8. So yes, they do ;-).

 

 

 

 

 

You forgot the part about how they won. 59% of Californians. Only outdone by being usurped by an activist legislature and judiciary, representing a small minority of Californians. It goes back to that little part I spoke of.....you can change laws all you want, you have to win over people's hearts.

[frcabot]

Actually 52% not 59%. How many Germans supported the Nuremberg laws against jews? A hell of a lot more than 52%. How many southerners supported slavery, then supported separate institutions for whites and blacks, then supported bans on interracial marriage? Again, a hell of a lot more than 52%. That's why we have something known as a constitution, or what you like to call an "activist judiciary." Yes the judiciary's job is to review the constitutionality of laws and strike down those that don't pass constitutional muster. It's been that way since the 18th century. You know what country DOESN'T have "activist" judges protecting the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority? Russia. Or the middle east. Perhaps you'd prefer living there?

Yeesh, talk about being whiney.

On another topic, is The Americans any good? I've heard that it is but not too much about it.

[Guest]

Definition of futile pursuit...?

Staying on the Timmy thread typing, when you have work to do....

Tell me about the people on social security dissability. Are they all bad?

Nothing but schemers there?

Looks like you may have run off the new guy...

Some of those bad people on social security may just be some wounded veterans in need of help, truly the worst of the bad. In Canada our government forces our veterans with disabilities to prove that their really disabled.

Clarence

[John Pleisse]

Actually 52% not 59%. How many Germans supported the Nuremberg laws against jews? A hell of a lot more than 52%. How many southerners supported slavery, then supported separate institutions for whites and blacks, then supported bans on interracial marriage? Again, a hell of a lot more than 52%. That's why we have something known as a constitution, or what you like to call an "activist judiciary." Yes the judiciary's job is to review the constitutionality of laws and strike down those that don't pass constitutional muster. It's been that way since the 18th century. You know what country DOESN'T have "activist" judges protecting the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority? Russia. Or the middle east. Perhaps you'd prefer living there?

 

 

 

You forgot all of the disenfranchised latino votes, that are now suddenly welcome in our political process. Ya know, Roman Catholics. Yeah, California, America's greatest liberal bastion. They really pulled through, didn't they.

 

It's like I am hearing President Obabbba speak....comparing faith loving American's traditional values to Nazi's. Funny, I don't view gay people that way. A stunningly pitiful, jokingly poor attempt at misguided moral equivalency.  And I did mean attempt.

 

The judiciary serves at the pleasure of appointment and is a grand political prize. And the great thing about legal precedent, it is constantly challenged. Structurally sound opinions will always confront legally binding precedent. The 5th district does great work.

 

Sexuality is not a civil right, nor does it uniquely qualify one to be a "minority". It is basic human condition, which is why gay marriage law based on race, not gender, will ultimately be challenged. 

[flyboy0681]

 

 

 

 

Nope, still here but more laughing my ass up at how upset John is that gays can marry. As far as Christians not interfering... Um, the Mormon Church was the biggest donor to Prop 8. So yes, they do ;-).

 

As far as BHO goes, I think he's been one of our better presidents and I think history will judge him very kindly. Clinton was also unpopular at the time and now he's one of our most beloved presidents. Besides, much of the criticism towards BHO is completely irrational and unfounded -- one just needs to scratch the surface to see that those railing against him have no idea what they're talking about.

 

 

Funny you should mention this. A few weeks ago I said essentially the same thing. I said Truman was very unpopular in his time but history changed all that. I also said that ten years down the road Obamacare may turn out to be a great success.

 

 

Of course my regressive friends here wouldn't hear of it and beat me to a pulp over those remarks.

 

I'm currently on the fence with our Kenyan born, Muslim socialist, anti-business, anti-American communist president.

[flyboy0681]

Says the guy with 666+posts...

Sorry mommy.

Might be a couple. My oldest sister's ex-boyfriend Mike....Mike was a firefighter. Hurt his back on the job. Had surgery. Receives a disability pension. Built my brother's gazeebo. Re-built my mom's screened porch. Able-bodied? YUP.

New guy is not a wuss. He is doing just fine.

Stop worrying mom. We are O.K.

We just are a little different...

 

 

You're preaching to the choir on this one. My neighbor is an ex-NYPD cop. 20 years ago he became "disabled" and still continues to draw disability. There is nothing this guy can't do, from fixing his own roof to jacking up his car and working from under it.

 

Yet, when my brother became ill he applied for SS disability and was denied. Something about him having earned too much six months before he made his application. His was a true disability situation.

[John Pleisse]

Funny you should mention this. A few weeks ago I said essentially the same thing. I said Truman was very unpopular in his time but history changed all that. I also said that ten years down the road Obamacare may turn out to be a great success.

 

 

Of course my regressive friends here wouldn't hear of it and beat me to a pulp over those remarks.

 

I'm currently on the fence with our Kenyan born, Muslim socialist, anti-business, anti-American communist president.

 

 

That's just it...there is nothing regressive about not supporting bad public policy. In fact, it's patriotic. When progressives suggest that some day everybody will "get it", they have pretty much failed. 

 

As for Obama and you being on the fence, you deserve to be. You likely weren't on the fence in 2008 and 2012, making your current state of mind, well, regressive.

[AndyFromCB]

Can you do the math for me? What was the percentage of WWII era German's that supported vs. opposed the Nuremberg laws against Jews? A lot of post WWI hate (punishment of Germany), strife (unemployment/hyper-inflation/deflation) and propaganda against Jews.

What was the percentage that voted against? I am curious to know.

Do you not see this intolerance against the Religious Right? I do.

Do you not see the war drum haters stirring up the hate of Radical Islam? I do.

Both wrong. The President is also wrong in not acknowledging the fear and hatred for Radical Islam. Simply not addressing it does not make it go away. A leader would quell those fears. A leader would not have "secret meetings with Islamic leaders in the USA". An open an honest debate and open communication to the people would be fore-front with a true Leader.

BHO-NOT a LEADER...

 

 

Of course that this is "discrimination against religious right". So? Once again, freedom from mental anguish is not a constitutionally protected right. That is the only way the religious right is being affected. All in their heads, literally. Members of the KKK are anguished daily when they see integrated public schools. So? I'm suffer from mental anguish each time I see a jacket ride up at the grocery store and see a weapon. Like the 3 country boys last night at the grocery store buying cases of Bush. All had exposed holsters. Price of freedom, as you would say. 

 

In a fight between gay mafia and the clergy, I'm rooting for the gay mafia. And yes, John, I admit it is a fight against the clergy. So? Been going on for centuries.

 

I am not equating religious right to KKK. Every square is a rectangle, not every rectangle is a square. KKK bends the christian religion to justify their beliefs. Actually, they do not have to do that much bending. All 3 of the major religions had to actually be bent considerably to be compatible with modern western world. In their literal interpretations, they are not compatible with democratic or republican forms of government.

[AndyFromCB]

That's just it...there is nothing regressive about not supporting bad public policy. In fact, it's patriotic. When progressives suggest that some day everybody will "get it", they have pretty much failed. 

 

As for Obama and you being on the fence, you deserve to be. You likely weren't on the fence in 2008 and 2012, making your current state of mind, well, regressive.

Regressives made the same justifications for lies that led to Iraqi war. It is a matter of public record that the entire justification was fabricated at the highest levels of government. So? Where was the honest debate then? Was I being a patriot when I was one of the few who spoke against in 2002 and 2003 and predicted the exact cluster fuck we are in? 

[AndyFromCB]

51% of lawmakers who voted for the war were Democrat Party. I guess that makes them regressive? Remember the long list of quotes from Democrats supporting the war I posted earlier on this thread?

More recently, not that Democrats were alone (e.g. McCain), but several Democrats were calling for and supporting war in Syria.

Many from either party is willing to blindly follow "the party line" ... which for Democrats is whatever rubbish Obama comes out with this week ... I laud the Democrats who told Mr Obama "No" when he tried to drum up support for war in Syria.

It did make them regressive in my book. Going to war is easy if you don't have to do the fighting yourself or pick up the tab. Congress is full of Republicans and Democrats who could switch parties in an instant and not have to modify a single belief held.

[frcabot]

Funny you should mention this. A few weeks ago I said essentially the same thing. I said Truman was very unpopular in his time but history changed all that. I also said that ten years down the road Obamacare may turn out to be a great success.

Of course my regressive friends here wouldn't hear of it and beat me to a pulp over those remarks.

I'm currently on the fence with our Kenyan born, Muslim socialist, anti-business, anti-American communist president.

Obama's approved rating isn't horrendous but I haven't checked in a while. I think the ACA will actually be viewed very favorably and Republicans will have a very tough time killing it. At a minimum it has already increased the number of people covered by health insurance tremendously - and there would be more if many of the Republican States had not spitefully refused to expand Medicaid to their most needy residents. Truly a sad state of affairs. I kinda wish we had let the south secede, the rest of us would have been far better off in the long run.

[frcabot]

American's. On board since inception. Great show. Not good, GREAT. Watch from beginning. Won't be disappointed. A must watch for wife and I.

I'll check it out. I already have a few TV shows in my schedule so it's hard to add another but it's on Amazon so it'll be good for binge watching during down time.

[AndyFromCB]

The number increased ... ? Like by the seven million whose health insurance policy was cancelled and no longer offered directly because of Obamacare? Viewed Favorably ? ... Like by the average family who now makes an average of $2500 less a year but pays an average of $4000 more a year in premiums since Obama took office?

Your head is stuck way up your ...."@$$$."

Where are you getting you stats, Dave. Because there is something in the law called premium subsidy ;-)  That mythical family of 4 living on $40K a year (BTW, how is that possible), cannot spend more than $4K on premiums annually in total.

 

There was a large increase in premiums in states with lax insurance laws that previously allowed companies to offer useless coverage. It's no surprise that premiums have increased in these states as regulations became uniform across the country. Premiums have actually declined across the board in states where insurance was previously "well regulated".

 

Something does not add with your math. A family of 4 making that $40K a year, cannot spend more than 8% of their income on health insurance premium. That's $3.2K a year total. So where does that $4K come from whom does it affect? Maybe people who can pay it just fine and previously were in high deductible, low coverage plans. Obamacare is wonderful for your mythical family. For the first time they have access to health insurance. Obamacare hurts upper middle class, a group well known for its whining about everything under the sun. Their income did not go down $2000 since Obama took office, all the had to do was have $5000 in the stock market in 2008 in order to more than make up the loss of $2000 otherwise. My QQQ holdings are up almost 350% since the crash. I don't even do individual stocks. 

 

You're a pilot, math is not that hard.

 

[John Pleisse]

frcabot, on 07 Feb 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

Obama's approved rating isn't horrendous but I haven't checked in a while. I think the ACA will actually be viewed very favorably and Republicans will have a very tough time killing it. At a minimum it has already increased the number of people covered by health insurance tremendously - and there would be more if many of the Republican States had not spitefully refused to expand Medicaid to their most needy residents. Truly a sad state of affairs. I kinda wish we had let the south secede, the rest of us would have been far better off in the long run.

 

Obamacare will always exist, primarily as a safety net for those unable to get insurance. Kind of like state run insurance funds for bad drivers. That'll be about it. Rep's will get the ACA down to 28 pages. Obama keeps his legacy, Republicans safe face and the American people will move on to healthy competition, reasonable regulation and the great coverage they once had. The Republicans will gut the ACA like the fat, sick pig it is.

[AndyFromCB]

 

frcabot, on 07 Feb 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

Obamacare will always exist, primarily as a safety net for those unable to get insurance. Kind of like state run insurance funds for bad drivers. That'll be about it. Rep's will get the ACA down to 28 pages. Obama keeps his legacy, Republicans safe face and the American people will move on to healthy competition, reasonable regulation and the great coverage they once had. The Republicans will gut the ACA like the fat, sick pig it is.

 

Spoken like a man who never worked in the financial industry. 28 pages to regulate insurance companies and hospitals? Are you high? Too much incense and sacramental wine? I think our contract with Staples for delivery of printer paper is longer than that. Great coverage they once had? You mean the one where you were dropped the second you got sick, either directly or by 1000% percent premium increase at renewal in the few states where renewal was even required. 

[AndyFromCB]

John,

 

Show me the republican proposed alternative? I have yet to see anything concrete or for that matter anything. Where is it?

[AndyFromCB]

I just made it all up Andy! That's what us evil hateful conservatives do ... (I have to go now ... I'll look it up)

 

Could have not increased $4K even if they did not have insurance to begin with if the max premium is $3.2 a year, now, could it have? Math does not lie. You didn't make it up, I'm sure, but check your sources for article in questions. Not calling you a liar, just gullible. There is a difference.

[AndyFromCB]

Math does not lie? Like when Obama told us his .7 trillion dollar health care bill, which now is about 1.7 trillion or so ... would really help reduce the deficit and balance the budget?

 

Hey,

 

The Iraqi war was going to be $60billion. If we're just going to go on ratios alone, who's more trustworthy? For me, life has always been a game of ratios and percentages. 

 

...At the outset of the Iraq war, the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion to oust Saddam Hussein, restore order and install a new government…

[AndyFromCB]

Speaking of math not lying,

How much was it that Obama and Pelosi promised my now higher since Obamacare health care premium cost would go down?

 

That was a failure of your pilot's union, sorry Dave. I bet you voted for a lot of candidates who voted to diminish the power of unions. Now your carrier is making record profits and you're stuck with a lower salary and higher health care bill. I understand. I feel your pain. Keep on voting Republican. You only have yourself to blame. Trickle down.

 

[AndyFromCB]

Here is one for all the good Catholics on board. Where you are John? Or should the church stay out of economics and just stick to bedrooms?