mike_elliott

Per flying Phil, it does matter if the AOA doesn't take flap and gear position into account when calibrated. Go to the 3 min mark here. Phil wouldn't BS us now, would he Bob?

When you calibrated the CYA, it was calibrated for the configuration the plane was in, (flaps down most likely) but not for flaps up, which will be a different stall speed(s) at different weights. Flaps down is correct to nail the slowest possible speeds for landing safely. I personally use mine more for best rate of climb

Just don't go up north to Vero Beach from 4:30 PM and 7:00 PM and you should be fine on Saturday.

I thought ea. wing had an inboard and outboard on the F. Can you eliminate one with your senders after you get the STC?

Like I said TJ, I really don't miss it. A lot of people here say it is important, however. ut cuique sua

The one I have on the Aspen is about the same size as your display Bob, only right next to the ASI tape just a couple inches lower and to the right. As you say, very easy to see there, one place to glance when not looking outside for both info. The aspen AOA has 2 pointers, one for flaps up one for flaps down as it is calibrated for both conditions, which is a nice feature vs the other AOA's. One thing it doesn't have, but I really don't miss, is bitchin betty yelling "stall Stall STALL"

too bad you cant stretch it out until April, when SNF is happening, Jeff. Jeppesen usually has a "deal" there that would make their product in line price wise with Garmin, and would have all the bennies of things like all the airports. Garmin may well have a "deal" also. We will see about getting a Jepp Pilot pack again for the silent auction at the Mooney Summit V, as it was a high interest item and one you won a couple of years ago. Thanks Jepp for the generous donation and thanks Garmin for the D2 watches Ken Yale and Andrew won!

If anyone wants to run "point" to get a group buy on the "right" CO detector, I imagine they would have the gratitude of a number of us! Ill see if I can get one to be donated as a door prize for the Mooney Summit V in the mean time.

Ill put the drawings for the seat rail mod and a completed 337 I received from the late great Yuri Avrutin about 17 years ago in the download section

Here is what appears to be the same one, only still available https://smile.amazon.com/KKmoon-Portable-Concentration-Detector-Sound-light/dp/B01AUMOBU2/ref=pd_sim_60_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01AUMOBU2&pd_rd_r=S3BXDX4MWG8H75SK6D28&pd_rd_w=ndtjd&pd_rd_wg=Z1Djj&psc=1&refRID=S3BXDX4MWG8H75SK6D28

Darned...you had me fooled for a moment....

The F, J and the K's are the same fuselage length. If you can fly a 252 without a seat rail mod, you should be able to fly an F without the mod, unless Mooney made a mod to the seat rails by adding an extra hole somewhere along the line.

Blackcloud (AKA Henry) wasn't that Slim's old Encore?

Great find! I think Mooney wants something like 2K to replace the entire board.

Mooneyspacers, Do consider ordering from smile.amazon.com and naming the Mooney Summit as your charity. So far, we have received $58 in contributions from them (mostly from my son and my purchases). just replace the www. with smile and you can select a charity, and 1/2 of 1% will be given to that charity quarterly of your amazon purchases. Here is PaulM's link that will invoke the charitable contribution by Mr Bezos. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EMXSIR2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I should be there all week, Jolie

Dan has been asked and has accepted to be on a panel at the Mooney Summit V of Mooney accident survivors to recount his experience and field questions from our attendees. If anyone else would like to join Dan and I to share their experience, please let me know (Neil, Jolie, got your ears on?). This seminar will most likely be followed by a seminar from Major Mari (Mars) Metzler, flight examiner for our F22 boys at Tindall on CO poisoning.

yea, there is a fairly expensive relay board that may need attention, unfortunately.

Im not sure, Peter, but I have heard it (KI300) was being made by RC Allen for them last year at SNF by the RC Allen guys. That would explain a lot of why it doesn't work/isn't available etc. All this could have been a salesman trying to pump up his company to me as a valid player in GA....who knows. It is just unfortunate we cant get the L3 guys to supply a simple D/A converter for the ESI500 to drive that old tech KAP, or Avidyne to make a slide in replacement Digital autopilot for the KAP, or somebody to pick up this need.

Now that's how you get the attention of a lawyer

I know a guy who did have an Aspen problem, (no they are not bullet proof, just far more reliable than the junk KI's) he got a new one for just for buying a 2 year extended warranty for $800, and got 2 years warranty to boot. I am sure Garmin has a similar program, or do they? I just spent 2400 on overhauling a 30 Y.O. POS KI256 for thw second time in less than 600 hrs since new. Pay almost 25K for a new one? You would have to be nuts, Peter. But your assertation was that prices were not coming down, and in fact a new G500, or a new aspen is far far less than a new KI256. . I know I cannot convince you that today's glass is safer, better, more informative and useful, so I wont try. I can only hopesomeday you have a revelation that flying your plane in IMC with only a KI256 AI coupled to your autopilot is far less than optimal for your safety.

How's this for progress... King KI256 new outright list - $24,500 (and you still need an ASI, Alt, HSI, OAT, GPSS at a min) reference https://parts.seaerospace.com/product/Honeywell/KI-256/060-0017-00?gclid=Cj0KEQiAifvEBRCVx5up6Ojgr5oBEiQALHw1ToGJzxGTmtdwkQZnhK-u06r624tbo-SHmNu6mX0pBEUaAm5D8P8HAQ Garmin G500 new outright list $14995, installed $24995 (Sarasota quote m20J) reference https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/63598 Your low cost objection is neither persuasive nor factual, as are your erroneous reliability assertions. Both the Garmin and Aspen have some modularity to their systems. but not as much as you (or I) would like. I know you can order various components of the Aspen system right down to the $5 knobs from an authorized Aspen dealer, and do not doubt the same, albeit a bit more for the knobs for the G500 Unfortunately, the Part 23 re-write as finalized, leaves a lot to be desired for the retrofit of existing certified planes. It offers a much improved certification process for new aircraft using performance based standards, but provides little relief to modernize the existing fleet.{1} Lets all hope now that the camel has his nose in the tent, he can squirm further in and relief, based on performance standards, can be applied to the existing fleet in the future. It wont happen without a fight, and I suspect Garmin will lead the opposition. I truly hope I am wrong here on this speculative statement A grand goal, yet time tested to be proven unachievable in the certified category. There are too many interests needing to be fed here so they can continue to profitably be able to supply new technology. The remedy for this as I am sure you are aware of Peter, is to buy an experimental and become the manufacturer. {1} https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2016/december/16/part-23-reform-faa-releases-final-rule-on-small-aircraft-certification

Dan, I just sent you a PM. I am so glad to hear of a great outcome for once. Please know the Mooney Summit is available to help. These things have a way of really messing with your head also. You have made my day seeing your post!

Fortunately, I had an Aspen in front of me on 2 occasions when the fragile KI256 went TU in IMC. (2 different planes) Perhaps a poll of how many people have had a vacuum failure or a AI failure or an Aspen failure might be in order to placate those in denial. PTK, what do you have backing up that fine swiss watch in your J? Oh wait, you have a GNS 750, that's almost as good as a chute!

Agreed. You might just have the oil suction screen pulled. More than likely, the last few oil changes this wasn't done and if there is a place to look for cam parts, this is a good place to start.