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Comments I have heard indicate that Mooney did not have the cash to buy the raw materials to produce parts.

The engine can't be overhauled by Western Skyways and be Zero Time. Only the factory can Zero Time an engine. Or did you put in a Zero Time Factory Reman and then had the prop strike that Western Skyways did the IRAN? Well, technically the could designate a shop to do so, but they don't.

While it's true anyone can list anything for any price, this is only a research problem for one-off rarities, and an M20E isn't that kind of airplane. There are no less than 14 of them for sale on Trade-a-Plane right now, and that's only one for-sale site. I don't really get these, "What's it worth" posts, and always wonder if it's a shill for something other than an actual sale. Determining value for anything of which there are a dozen or more posted seems trivial to me. Look at the ads for airworthy airplanes (in annual, flown recently, etc, all easy to determine). Discard the highest one or two as "of course it's for sale" foolishness; discard the lowest one or two as outliers that are likely hiding a surprise; that's still going to leave you with lots of samples. Make some rational adjustments for year model/TTAF/avionics/paint/interior compared to your airplane (doing so is not difficult - engine time on an IO-360 is worth about $3/hour, all the other stuff is worth about half the retail price). Find the average, price yours slightly high or slightly low in accordance with your personal preference on dollars vs. time to sell. Our partnership goes through this exercise every year for insurance valuation. I just did it this weekend: our M20F with decent avionics, decent interior, bad paint, and a runout engine is worth about $80K. The work takes about an hour, maybe two if I search really hard across multiple sites. The answers you get are significantly more useful than asking a bunch of randos on the internet who aren't actually selling their airplanes. This is all Jimmy and other brokers are doing to produce their valuation guides. To be fair, those folks are analyzing all makes & models rather than just one. But they're also not publishing new data every month, at least not in a manner you can subscribe to. Better to do your own market research, and it's just not that hard.

The parts catalogs for most models are available in the downloads section of MooneySpace.

I took operational to mean within regulatory confines, it is operational. a manufacturing certificate is neither easy or cheap to obtain. from a profitability perspective, it is obviously not functioning properly.

GFC-500 (Garmin autopilot) has it automatic if you add the trim servo. Not sure if there is an STC to add the manual version. May need to see if there are any F’s that came from the factory with it… -Don

Fiber-lights - came with the plane when I bought it. The shop re-did my pilot side panel after we discussed locations for the autopilot. New pilots side panel (extra cost) but worth it. We added the carbon fiber overlay so the panel was the same… I have the SWTA windshield/panel so a bit more room and it was already offset. Did give me room for AP. We did have to tweak the defroster a bit to gain a half inch of room but she fits. Wanted to keep the StormScope - still works well. -Don

In my M20K, the electric trim is part of the autopilot.

Is there an STC out there to add an electric trim on an F model? Thanks for your comments Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your last statement is the best approach. Throw all downstream breakers and turn them on one by one until it trips. I know of a Mooney that was converted from a generator to an alternator, but the breaker and wire was not changed. If the battery is quite discharged, the 50 amp alternator will over power the 40 a breaker. This was an older mooney. It was solved by upgrading the wires and breaker. It is possible that the alternator is just surging when you start up. The breakers also "age" the more they trip the weaker they get.

Those fit nice. Some look cramped. You flattened the top of the panel a bit more to the left to provide additional vertical space? What instrument lights or bezels are those?

That would be great. I'll call LASAR today and update this conversation when I know. But it's safe to say they won't have it. Maybe they can give me the specs so I can procure one myself. Just very crudely I was able to compress the spring 1" with about 25lbs of force.

Appreciate the explanation. Trying like heck to understand the purpose of the springs. Having a hard time understanding how they "add additional" force. I could see them providing a force or elevator position that varies with airspeed at any given trim position. There's something tricky I'm missing. Great thread though. I've been curious about the springs; never seen them before this thread.

Almost 1000

Well, finding this 20-203-3 spacer with the current LASAR nuance seems challenging. Anybody have any other leads on this?

Anyone can list anything for any price. You said you saw it listed for 140, but has anyone bought it?

Try @Alan Fox or @Jerry Pressley I may have a spare if they don’t.

I am having trouble finding the part number for the J models that had it from the factory. I only know of the LASKIT108 from Lasar.

Got the bungees apart on Saturday. One spring is broken, of course it's not in stock. Trying to figure out how to replace it by finding an equivalent.

Never mind what they say, just look at the data:

PLANE FOR SALE INFORMATION N2569W M20E SER # 930 TOTAL TIME 4200 ENGINE; NEW ENGINE 2023 TIME: 50 ENGINE REBUILT BY WESTERN SKYWAYS; MONTROSE CO GOLD SEAL ENGINE FACTORY REBUILT “ZERO HOURS” ALL NEW HOSES NEW BAFFLES NEW SUREFLY ELECTRONIC IGNITION REBUILT MAGNITO NEW SKYTECH STARTER NEW VACUUM PUMP RAYJAY TURBOCHARGER REBUILT IN 2023; MAIN TURBO; NEW WASTE GATE; COMPLIED V CLAMP NEW OIL COOLER REIFF ENGINE HEATER PROP STRIKE 2024 ENGINE REBUILT AGAIN WESTERN SKYWAYS TEARDOWN PROPELLER: NEW; HC-C2YK-1BF HARTZELL INSTRUMENTS; STANDARD SIX PACK WITH GARMIN 430 NO GLASS PANEL EXTRAS: SHADEN FUEL FLOW: VERY ACCURATE WILL GIVE JPI 700 THAT I NEVER INSTALLED UAVIANICS TAIL BEACON ADSB OUT SENTRY PLUS FOR FORFLIGHT PUSH TO TALK ON YOLK ALL PC REMOVED APPEARANCE: EXTERIOR IS IN GOOD SHAPE CLEAN AND SHARPE PROBABLY 7 OUT OF 10 INTERIOR; NICE ORIGINAL; PROBABLY A 7 OUT OF 10

Ok let’s apply some logic here. The OP said #1 and #3 are hot so I’m presuming #2 and #4 are not and if this is the case then it can not be timing as that effects all 4 cylinders so we can drop the timing issue as not the problem . Now there could be a weak spark plug that’s not firing well or fouled but to have that in 2 cylinders is highly unlikely but definitely more possible than timing that could only effect 2 cylinders, besides that’s and easy test to verify, just swap all the spark plugs on the odd cylinders with the even cylinders and see if the problem moves or stays that will rule out or confirm and issue with the sparkplugs. It maybe in fuel flow. A gami sweep test would quickly check that as well. When i was on the hunt to fly deeper lop i also had different cht by alot. When i got my fuel flows even my cht also became closer together. With his fuel flows already on the low side of 18 gph it wouldn’t take much unbalanced fuel flow for a cylinder to be running not rich enough to cool at T/O power. And induction leak on NA engine at wot doesn’t matter where the cylinder is getting its air from as the throttle is not reducing any of the cylinders. Induction leaks start showing themselves as you restrict airflow to the cylinders and are greatest at idle power. (Note do not apply this logic to turbo charged models as induction leaks will certainly show as overly rich and cool cht on a cyl that is leaking air in a turbo system) baffling also a prime suspect since 1 & 3 are on the same side and both started running hotter at the same time. Just one small leak somewhere on that side can cause both cylinders to rise thus a single point of failure could have effect on both cylinders where as even the fuel flow requires 2 failures one for each cylinder to happen at the same time. Maybe if the partial blockage is in the spider fuel flow divider but again to only effect one side and not all 4 is less likely than air escaping somewhere on that side of the cowling.

Hopefully Bully will see Aubie next year!

Clemson's not my team, either, but were the first one with a paw logo to come to mind. My school a bit unusual. We are officially the Tigers (says so on all team uniforms), and we have a person dressed as a cartoon-like tiger at games. But we also have a live mascot, a golden eagle. Fits me well, I've always liked eagles (see above), but I've also always liked tigers.

In engineering there is an old saying that there is no such thing as a single change. I believe the short bodies trim out with the elevator aligned with the stabilizer. However lengthening the fuselage for the mid bodies threw things off and they trim in flight with the elevator slightly trailing edge down. I was told years ago by an engineer at Mooney that Lopresti looked into this when modifying the M20F to make the M20J and decided that fixing it would require significant rework to the empennage to change the angle of incidence of the horizontal stabilizer and the drag was minimal and not worth the cost to fix it.