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  1. I'm in need of a copy of a STC and POH Supplements for a Short Body Mooney M20C or M20E. I also need a copy of the Installation instructions for the Short Body Mooney M20 Series as well if anyone has a copy. This is for supporting documentation to be submitted for a Field Pre Approval for my M20A with a M20E Wing. I have already purchased a complete S-Tec 30 system and I'm well on my way to applying for the field approval. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Carl
  2. After reviewing information provided on my earlier post about adding an Auto Pilot to my M20A with M20E Wing and M20J Tail along with information provided by a FAA Engineer it might be fairly easy to add an auto pilot out of a similar model Mooney utilizing excerpts from a STC along with my own documentation for a Field Approval. S-Tec will not provide any information since they do not have a STC for a M20A. If anyone has any photos of a S-Tec System 30 or 50 installed in a M20B, C, D, or E it would be helpful. I have found a system out of an early M20E but there is no documentation. The brackets, servos and harnesses are included but I would like to see where and how the system is installed if possible. Specifically the Roll Servo mounting and connections and the Pitch Servo Mounting and connections and location. If any one can help it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Carl
  3. Hey everyone!! I have been in constant contact with TruTrak regarding the approval of the Vision for our Mooney's. They have told me that the paperwork will be in to the FAA late this month and they are anticipating approval in September of this year. I am taking pre orders for the Vision at this time, if you are interested please email me the following: N number, name, address, phone, 12 or 24 volt system, which controller you want 2'', 3'' or flat pack. There is NO deposit required, I will submit your info to TruTrak under my account and they will hold a spot. When they have FAA approval I will contact you and if you would like to still place the order we can move forward with payment. The Vision will be $5000, that includes everything you need for the install. I have my name on the list already and my shops first install will be my J so they are not "learning" on your plane . That will also give me a really good idea of the hours / cost of install so there will be no surprises on that front. From what I have seen with other kits I am expecting 30-40 hrs for a Mooney, labor rates at my shop are $95/hr. Keep in mind as in my case I have a century III with good servos that I will be able to sell and recoup hopefully $1,500 or so. Installs will be available at EGA Aviation at North Las Vegas Airport (KVGT) or I can ship you the Vision to be installed by your own shop. There will be a Mooneyspace discount but TruTrak does not allow lower than retail advertising. Your discount will be included in your quote if you are a Mooneyspace member. I am so excited to get this in my aircraft and real happy technology like this is finally making it to GA with "affordable" pricing! Attached to this post is some info about the Vision. I look forward to earning your business and thank you all for your support. Sanjeev Prasad Wolf Aviation sanjeev@wolfaviationsales.com 702-521-8338 http://www.wolfaviationsales.com MS Vision Info Pkt.pdf
  4. I am having problems with my Century IIB (single axis) autopilot. It works well in HDG mode. When I switch the radio coupler to any of the NAV modes the autopilot initiates an immediate right turn even with the CDI deflected left. Has anyone else had this problem? I was reviewing the ground/flight calibration procedure in the Century II&III manual (pages attached). I can understand the instructions all of the way through except in one area. It seems there is a step missing around paragraph (10) of page 6-5. I would think the radio coupler would need to be in one of the NAV positions (probably OMNI). It appears from the procedures that the radio coupler is in HDG mode at this point and I believe it would just be tracking heading and the left deflected CDI wouldn't have any effect on the heading computation of the autopilot. Am I correct in thinking that the procedure should include OMNI (or some other NAV) mode at this point? If there is anyone that has experience with the Century IIB calibration, I would welcome your input. Anyone else that would have any ideas, I would welcome those also.
  5. I bought my M20C two years ago and this odd little autopilot sits down behind the J-bar and flap pump handle. Its labeled "Mooney". No documentation on the thing at all. The AP works--with a little drifting and gentle s-turns. Its obvious a one-axis AP and I'm thinking its a Century I retro-fit item (AK-319), but I'm finding a paucity of information on it, and just don't know. Reading the Century I Manual, the controls and feature are very similar, but very different too. The heading knob on it is a mystery. I put an e-mail into Century describing the instrument and never got any word back from them. Supposedly, the Century I had a "retro-fit" model and I can't find any information about that kit--called the AK-319. I can't find any photos of this autopilot or any documentation to verify who manufactured it. Its an all electric system, which rules out Britton, but unlike most Century I autopilots, I don't have a Century I turn coordinator. Yes, my turn/slip instrument is electric, but there's no control knob on it, and its not branded as a Century gauge. Just behind our baggage compartment, in the tail, there is an electric gyro instrument, which seems as if it s part of the autopilot system. A warning label on this electric gyro warns against avoid any shocks or blows to the instrument. I'm lost and was hoping someone in the community might provide some information on this. I'd like to I.D. the device, obtain a manual for it and provide any sort of service the unit calls for. Short of pulling the servo to look for a manufacturer, I don't know what else to do. Even the electric gyro in the tail doesn't have a branding on it. Help!
  6. Avionics for sale: KFC150 autopilot $4995, Yaw Damper $1395, Shadin MiniFlow-L $795, KI256 AI $$795, Davtron 800 clock $145
  7. I know nothing about Brittain autopilot but a friend has these parts for sale.
  8. Looking for a B-11 ACCU-TRAK II autopilot or a complete system. Have cash will travel! I have a 1965 Mooney M20E with a working PC. billadams06@cox.net
  9. Hello everyone - As some of you already know I am a TruTrak dealer / installer in Las Vegas and focusing on the Mooney kit. I am gauging interest in setting up a Fly-in factory tour of the TruTrak facility and Mooney test aircraft at Springdale Municipal Airport (KASG) in Springdale Arkansas. It would be neat to see their facility and get hands on with the kit installed in the Mooney. Plus having all these Mooney's show up on their ramp may motivate them even more to push the approval through . As of now M20 approval is slotted for spring 2019 and has been pushed back a few times due to FAA delays, you can follow the status here: Please reply to this thread with your interest, as we have some people chime in I will work on a date (Jan or Feb) and logistics.
  10. Hi guys, I have a Mooney M20K with an HSI and KFC150. It always passes the auto check fine on the ground and all. My issue is when I’m flying an ILS approach and want the autopilot to fly it. The localizer bars come online many miles out and the plane turns and tracks down that just fine. At about 10 miles out the glide slope bar on the KI206 (secondary VOR/localizer/GS) indicator pops up showing I’m below the glideslope which is normal but the glideslope flag on the HSI is still showing. After a few more miles and when I’m usually above the glideslope the glideslope bar on the HSI finally decides to wake up. By then it’s too late for it to couple to the autopilot and have the GS light come on and for the autopilot to track the glideslope although it’s still tracking the localizer. Sometimes I’ll use the control wheel steering button to “nose dive” a bit so the plane will descend down through the glide slope and then the GS light on the autopilot will come on and then it will take over and fly the plane down to the runway. It’s like the signal to the Glideslope portion of the HSI is weak or something. Isn’t it the same antenna as the KI206? Then today I flew it and the GS light on the autopilot won’t come on at all whether I fly down through the glideslope or not and the autopilot never does connect and follow the glideslope although the localizer is tracking fine. (The GS light isn’t burned out). When I took it to the avionics shop about 8 years ago they did an “overhaul” on the HSI and “turned up the signal” whatever that means and said they didn’t see any thing wrong with it although they didn’t fly it. They said it could be that some moron painted the fin type antennas on the tail with metallic paint. I removed the paint and it didn’t make much difference plus the KI206 seems to work just fine. Is it possible to swap the wiring from that portion of the HSI with the KI206 and see if it behaves differently? Any ideas? I’d greatly appreciate any help. Thanks. Jay
  11. HELP- I am doing a mini upgrade to my Cessna 340: having professionals add engine monitors, an aspen, a G5 on the FO side, and fixing the autopilot. While they are doing that, the wife and I have been keeping ourselves busy with the upgrades we can do: new carpet (kit from SCS) new fuel cap paint, O-rings new placards and circuit breaker panel lettering new leather like interior (we actually did this ourselves) all new seats (we skinned the 30 year leather off the old ones and had an upholstery shop do these) new paint (and some new pieces) of the plastic trim window covers and now we are replacing all the external screws around the windows (under mechanic supervision) because they are rusty (this is actually kind of a pain to do) What suggestions do you guys have that an owner with limited mechanical skills but good energy and enthusiasm can do while his plane is being upgraded. I probably have a few more weeks of working time. FREE STUFF (and some that will be posted on Ebay) I have the old (one year old) carpet. I bought the "lightweight" kit from SCS last year because it sounded like a good idea. It was too light weight for me. If anyone wants it, it is free for the taking- just come get it. It is actually a fine product- just not robust enough for my application. Plastic window covers. I have four of these- not sure which windows they cover. I know know how to fix these but when I first bought the plane I went to Osh Kosh and bought new ones during a buying spree. They do need repaired but it can be done easily. Free- come get them. And they I will list on Ebay the myriad analog instruments I removed. Tach generators, what I call Mercedes type twin cessna instrumentation, airspeed indicator, altimeter, turn co-ordinator, etc. If anyone knows of something they want just email or call me. They are all located at KLOU. I'm going to post on the twin cessna and POA as well.
  12. Here is a quick update. response from TruTrack "Just checking in on the progress of the Mooney M20's in particularly the M20F. Watching the Mooney Space pages I am seeing everyone (a ton of us that is) are waiting on pins and needles to see who will be first to market. It looks like first to market will be huge in winning the overall Mooney community." Response: "We are currently finishing up the PA-28's and I am expecting that we will see Mooney's added by spring if not before."
  13. All, I received the email below about the Trio Autopilot for Mooneys. I have signed up and here is a link to an AOPA article about them (Pre 172 approval) https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2016/november/28/group-works-to-stc-new-lower-cost-autopilot If you're interested please contact Paul. Looks like the kit will be less than $3500 including servos. http://www.trioavionics.com/ProPilotBrochure.pdf Mooney drivers ! We had a great meeting last week with the FAA to kick off the Trio Pro Pilot autopilot STC approval project. The STC Group, is holding an engineering meeting next week to decide who gets the resources for the next couple of A/P install kit design projects. I’ve got three (3) of you on my Firm commit list. I need at least 25 to 30 of you on the Firm list in order to throw engineering team members at your Mooneys. It’s time to step up to the plate and get on the list everyone. I’ve got Joel K., Jason K, and Ray Slocum on the Firm list. Ping me before next Tuesday, get on your type group lists, and get them to belly up to the bar. Cheers, Paul C. Odum The STC Group, LLC Camarillo Airport, California (KCMA) Mobile +1 805 304 5246 paul.odum@thestcgroupllc.com “Fusing Tech with Tradition”
  14. STUMPED! In my F, I have the Aspen PRO 1000 glass, STEC 50 autopilot, and the GTN 650. All turns associated with holding patterns, and RNAV approaches are only made at half of the standard rate, NOT full rate. I have found discussions about this in some other forums, but I have yet to find the magic setting that determines the rate of turn. Anyone else have this issue, and what solved it? Gain setting on the Aspen? Defecting turn coordinator? Setting on the STEC? Thanks
  15. Brittain PC & AP Documents View File These were provided to me by Brittain in 2017. Submitter moontownMooney Submitted 09/12/2018 Category Avionics
  16. Genesys Aerosystems S-TEC 3100 is a fully featured, attitude-based autopilot that gives you a list of workload-reducing and safety-enhancing capabilities that were previously unavailable on aftermarket autopilots. Compatible with advanced digital sources & EFIS displays from Garmin, Aspen and others, the S-TEC 3100 delivers unmatched features and benefits: Precise, digital flight control for every phase of flight 2-axis (3-axis option on some models) Automatic Trim included Envelope Protection/Alerting Straight and Level Recovery Precision Approaches/Missed Approaches Indicated Airspeed Hold Altitude Preselect And much more! For the Mooney owners who currently have an S-TEC autopilot installed, the upgrade price will depend on the equipment already installed. This will be an outstanding bargain to get the benefits of a fully integrated digital autopilot, especially considering the additional safety features which it will bring. Upgrades start at $9,995 retail. For the Mooney owners who currently do not have an S-TEC autopilot installed. The 2-axis S-TEC 3100 is $19,995 retail for a new digital flight control system, which includes altitude hold, auto trim and altitude preselect, as well as new features such as envelope protection and straight and level mode. The 3-axis version adds Yaw Damper and is $24,995 retail. Genesys Aerosystems S-TEC autopilot STC process is determined by which model owners express interest. This past 6 months we have received requests from a number of Mooney owners’ inquiring about an upgrade path or for a new 3100 Autopilot system installation. We would need a commitment from 15 same model owners to proceed with the STC. The commitments would be in the form of a purchase order to a Genesys Authorized Installation Center. The biggest benefit to submitting a purchase order early is that we will extend the 2-year warranty to 3 years for all new parts from the factory (new installs and new controllers/servos). In addition, we are offering a 2-year warranty on any currently installed S-TEC servos. No matter how old they are. The extended warranty offer is only valid until we gain the STC. Once that occurs, the regular warranty period will be offered. If you have questions or would like to find your nearest Genesys-Aerosystems Dealer please email or call me direct: Barry LeBlanc Genesys Aerosystems Regional Sales Manager PH: 940.327.0707 Email: Barry.LeBlanc@genesys-aerosystems.com Visit our website: www.genesys-aerosystems.com > Click here to tell us which aircraft types we should add to the approved STC list for the new S-TEC 3100 Digital Flight Control System! GenesysAerosystems_S-TEC_3100__Digital_Autopilot_Brochure_2017 (002).pdf
  17. Having trouble with my Stec 55x Autopilot in my J. Havent done any trouble shooting but all ideas are considered helpful. When in nav gpss mode or nav alone it doesnt follow my Gps flight plan anymore. It just wonders off on its own and also when I select Hdg it doesnt follow my bug either. In Alt and Vs mode it works but thats it. On start up the internal check shows no faults but it might be checking the control face itself and not the servos or maybe its just a electrical check to everything. Any ideas? Hoping my roll servo is not the fault..
  18. Our KFC200 has electric trim. If it turns out to be more cost effective to replace the KFC200 with the TruTrak than it is to repair our pitch servo, I have a couple questions. 1. Can we legally keep the electric trim from the KFC200 even though it would no longer be our autopilot? 2. Assuming we want to keep the KI256 (AI) and KI525A (HSI) until they fail, what parts can we legally remove? I'm guessing the control panel and the annunciator would have to go, but does the computer have to stay for the HSI to work? That is, does the HSI get its course and glideslope info through the computer or does it get the information directly from the (in our case) GTN650? Obviously, the pitch and roll servos would be replaced by the TruTrak servos. Thanks in advance for any collective knowledge. Bob
  19. I went to the NW aviation trade show in Puyallup today looking for information. Here is what I learned: 1. Neither Trio nor TruTrak were there so I have nothing to report on them. 2. KI300. Surprise, shipping delayed until April 2018 due to software changes to handle turbulence better. Approximate price for the model to replace our KI256 in a two axis KFC200 autopilot system will be about $6500. It will actually be two boxes. The display includes the backup battery and has a 9 pin connector and connections for pitot and static lines. The second box connects to the indicator via the 9 pin connector. The other end of that box connects to the KFC200 and GPS navigator. He estimates less than a day to install. 3. Dynon Skyview HDX. Still my favorite if it's available in time. They have submitted all the paperwork to the FAA for the STC for Cessna's. Just waiting for the FAA to give approval. Unable to provide a timeline as to when the system might be available for other aircraft. I think he said it takes about 6 to 18 months to get an STC for another aircraft. That won't happen until they have approval for the Cessna. Based on the catalog he gave me, I'd estimate parts for a Skyview HDX 7" display based system to be about $10,900 for a two axis system. Another $750, or $11,650 for two axis plus autotrim. And another $750 or $12,400 for three axis plus autotrim. That includes a 7" display, primary and secondary AHRS, GPS antenna/receiver, ARINC429 box to talk to our GTN650, backup battery, autopilot control panel, 3 knob HDG/ALT/BARO bug panel, Wi-Fi adapter for use with ForeFlight, servos, and D10A backup EFIS. If you want to display traffic and weather on the main display, the dual channel ADS-B receiver is $795. If you want AOA with a heated pitot, that's $450. If you want their Comm radio, that's $1295 (pretty neat; can be loaded from the main display with buttons for ATIS, Ground, Tower, and ATC). If you want the bigger 10" display, that's another $1300. If the main display quits you fly off the D10A. If your GPS navigator (our GTN650) quits, you can still navigate and fly with the autopilot using the built in GPS system. You can also add engine monitoring if you want. About $1300 for parts plus $200 for fuel flow if you want it. Extra for MP and RPM. And if you don't already have ADS-B OUT, you can get that for another $2200. Very flexible system. Things it does that the GFC500 doesn't: Synthetic Vision (if you are into that) with terrain warning coloring, moving map, true airspeed, winds, minimums bug, maps, charts, and velocity vector. 4. Garmin GFC500. Nice system. Probably the nicest servos. Assuming everything I was told is correct: If you install the GFC500 with a single G5, the G5 is installed as the HSI. That means you may also switch it over to ADI if you need to. In a single G5 system, if the G5 dies you also lose the autopilot. If the GPS navigator fails, the autopilot still works for heading and altitude hold but it cannot navigate. In a dual G5 system, if at least one of the G5's is working, the autopilot will still work. Based on prices on Sarasota Avionics, a single G5/GFC500/2 axis system will cost $8149. Add the autotrim and you are up to $9849. Add yaw dampener and you're up to an estimated $11,549. If you want a two G5 system that's $10,889/$12,589/ and $14,289 respectively. The representative could not confirm when they would gain approval for either Mooney or Bonanza. However, other sources indicate 2018 for Bonanza and 2019 for Mooney. That is all. Bob
  20. I got the update from Trio as well. He said he thinks it will most likely be the fall of this year and then followed up with this email: __________________________ If you are on any chat boards with the Mooney folks let them know that we are working with ex-Mooney people and some folks that still work at Mooney in Kerrville. We will be doing the prototyping at FletchAir in Comfort, Texas. The FletchAir folks are assisiting with the Grumman project. As soon as we complete the Grumman project we will be launching into either the T Tail Lance or the Mooney. The development cycle is pretty long since we are really anal about safety. So I don’t want to make promises I cannot keep. We are looking at project schedules right now and trying to determine what a project takes to complete going forward. P ________________________________ I gave him the production numbers of Mooney's so he can compare that with the T tails and then I told him simply reference controller.com and notice there are a total of 16 Lances on the market with only 9 T tails. Their are currently about 80 Mooney's on the market that an STC could easily cover. Competition is heating up!
  21. If you are interested in seeing the FAA approve the TruTrak autopilot for the vintage Mooney's go to www.trutrakap.com and fill out the survey. The more Mooney owners that fill out the survey the faster we will get it approved. TruTrak wants to see how much interest there is for the Mooney compared to other vintage aircraft.
  22. Hi everyone, hope this isn't a duplicate of what's going on in the G5 thread. Since I'm not yet an owner, I wanted to leverage the knowledge here to better understand what Garmin's announcement that the G5 will soon support 3P autopilots means for the Mooney fleet. Short version: G5 coupled with GAD 29B adapter expected to support the following autopilots: Honeywell (Bendix King) KAP 100/140/150/200, KFC 150/200/225 S-TEC 20/30/40/50/55/60-1/60-2/65, 60 PSS, 55X Century II/III, IV (AC, DC), 21/31/41, 2000 Cessna 400B, 300 IFCS/400 IFCS Thanks.
  23. So I had an STEC-30 installed about a year ago - it worked perfectly, and I loved it. I then had my plane treated with ACF-50 a few months ago. Last weekend my altitude hold stopped working- the Alt hold light comes on when I try to engage it, but it does nothing - i.e. no trim alarms etc. So I took it to the avionics shop today. They said that they found a ton of gunk inside the elevator servo that looked like the anti-corrosion material settling out into it. I feel like I'm being punished for trying to take care of my plane. My avionics shop spent hours removing and cleaning up the servo and got it working again. On the way home this evening it initially worked fine and then quit working. Again! It seems like they would want to protect such components in the tail when applying the corrosion spray. I'm not going to accuse the well known shop that did the corrosion treatment of anything - nothing good would come of it. This post is really just a primal scream to help me cope with the vicissitudes of aircraft ownership. Of course I'm call the avionics shop again in the am. However I am also curious if anyone has had similar experiences and/or ideas on how to resolve the issue.
  24. So recently, on a very long series of flights the following occurred: From LKU to MMJ, my M20J 201's auto-pilot was tracking on course to a VOR waypoint via the Garmin 530W. All of a sudden, the autopilot banked the aircraft to the right on a standard-rate turn off course nearly 60 degrees before I disengaged the autopilot to correct the course heading. I reset the FD and had the same problem. I had to turn off the autopilot all the way, wait a few minutes while hand flying in IMC, then turn the autopilot on again. It worked for the remainder of the flight. From MMJ to Lansing, IL, the autopilot worked flawlessly. From Lansing, IL to MMJ, something weird happened. First, the aircraft started a nose-down attitude and the autopilot disengaged with a beep. I went to turn the autopilot/FD back on and it would not turn on. I looked over to the circuit breaker and it was popped. Cautiously, I pushed the breaker back in and turned the autopilot back on. The autopilot now began to porpoise with the altitude hold on. It was almost like the FD was overcompensating for what it normally makes as slight adjustments in pitch and trim. I didn't seem to have any trouble with the autopilot following the nav course, but once I set the FD to hold an altitude, forget it. Up and down. Each up and down worse than the last. It was a bumpy day and I had to hand fly all the way back to New Jersey and then to Virginia. It was exhausting. Has anyone else encountered the same problems? My theory is that the pitch servo clutch finally went. At the same time, it doesn't explain the drastic turn to the right off course. Maybe that was a fluke with the FD? I've had it do that if I am flying a WAAS RNAV approach when I activate the approach data into the GPS too late. I am far more concerned about the pitch. Ideas?
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