M20F Glareshield

[DCarlton]

11 hours ago, Shadrach said:

Man, that's a funny looking J-bar...

I wish.  

[Aaviationist]

11 hours ago, MikeOH said:

Correct, if the cabin is placarded for NO SMOKING.  Here is the cite from CAR 3:

 

That doesn’t say what you say it says. In fact, the first sentence is “only materials which are flash resistant shall be used” followed by a period, not a comma. 
 

but we all know you only read parts of messaging that suit YOU. 
 

what that DOES say, and I’m just rephrasing exactly what you posted, is that all materials need to be flash resistant (which requires a burn certification to prove, or yes, an ASTM DOC, but you need to obtain that doc.)

 

if the cabin IS smoking, materials need to be flame resistant (the difference between flame and flash). Still needs a burn certification 

 

then, which you inexplicably only highlighted half of, if there are no ash trays(or not Enough ash trays) you need a non smoking placard - which has nothing to do with the conversation of burn certification.  
 

why you posted this and thought it defended you position or was relevant only means you are an idiot or can’t read. 

[Aaviationist]

7 hours ago, Andy95W said:

And more CAR-3 requirements, taken from AC 43-13-1B para. 9-61 (a) (1).  Any material that meets any nationally recognized flash or flame resistance is acceptable.  This would include many of the over-the-counter spray on treatments since many have an ASTM certification.  So despite what @Aaviationist said, we do not need to meet the Part 23 flammability testing requirements. 

Yes, you can use ASTM docs as a burn certification, as for ASTM there must be a burn test. 
 

I would not suspect the cheap vinyl obtained from Amazon came with this paperwork, or met the ASTM requirements. It would require a burn certification (even if placarded no smoking)

[N201MKTurbo]

Just for your own peace of mind, hold a piece up in the air and try to light the bottom of it on fire and see how it reacts. Some material will scare you.

[00-Negative]

7 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Just for your own peace of mind, hold a piece up in the air and try to light the bottom of it on fire and see how it reacts. Some material will scare you.

Bedrug. I have a "Bedrug" made for the bed my F-250. I also have the same bedrug material pre-cut and molded for my Jeep interior flooring and sidewalls. I love this stuff. Very lightweight. Waterproof holds no odor or moisture. The edges won't unravel when trimmed, so it doesn't need binding. Comes in charcoal gray. I thought it would be a great idea to put this in place of the carpet in my Mooney. I tested it with a lighter. This stuff ignites and spreads flame like dry hay.

[M20F-1968]

You can a make glare-shield out of fiberglass fairly easily if you are careful.

I will relate what I did to make the upper interior cabin panel in my F, now transformed to mostly a J with Ovation interior.

Since it is highly modified I had to modify or make interior parts.  One such part is the upper interior panel of the cabin door.  My F model door has been reskinned, and fitted with a rounded Ovation-style window, but is not as tall as the Ovation window.  Also the compound curvature needed to be changed to fit the door and interior.  

After many trys of hand layups, I decided to use the pane itself as my mold.  I fractured the fiberglass panel so it could be screwed in place on the door.

I covered the door and exposed airplane parts with clear vinyl wrap, then screwed the now flexible fiberglass panel in place.  Being careful to keep things clean, I hand layed-up layers of fiberglass to make the panel as guided by the panel which was screwed in place.  When dried, the panel was worked as needed.  You can either use cheap boat yard grade fiberglass, then when the part is finished, use is as a mold to make a fire-proof version, or use fire-proof resin initially.

You can place linear supports, use duct tape, or whatever is necessary to support the lay-up part until it dries.  Protect avionics, seats, upholstery, etc. with sran wrap or similar.  Fabric stores have rolls of plastic wrap of various thicknesses.  Use your manual skills and creativity and you can get exactly what you want.

John Breda