1964-M20E Posted November 21, 2018 Report Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Marauder said: So people often ask me my philosophy on maintenance. I could say, I fix stuff, and only that stuff that breaks. That ain’t me... I decided that I’m going to rebuild both master cylinders and the parking while I have everything apart. I noticed my brake lines (the flexible ones in the gear bays) look a bit shoddy. So where do you buy replacement sets? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro http://aircrafthose.com/ They can make up your hoses. Give them a length measurement and size they will send you out some fro a fee of course. Quote
Shadrach Posted November 21, 2018 Report Posted November 21, 2018 If you're ordering from LASAR anyway, why not just consolidate your parts order. Quote
Marauder Posted November 21, 2018 Author Report Posted November 21, 2018 If you're ordering from LASAR anyway, why not just consolidate your parts order. Yeah, unfortunately I noticed the hoses after the order. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote
Marauder Posted November 26, 2018 Author Report Posted November 26, 2018 http://aircrafthose.com/ They can make up your hoses. Give them a length measurement and size they will send you out some fro a fee of course. I wasn’t able to get the exact length because the hoses are still mounted on the plane. I called Lasar and they told me they don’t stock many because of age concerns. They gave me the part number and told me they use Precision to make the hoses. They also gave me the contact information. Spoke to Precision and they will make up a set and have them to me by Friday. $147 for the set. Will do a PIREP when I get them.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote
Shadrach Posted November 27, 2018 Report Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Marauder said: Spoke to Precision and they will make up a set and have them to me by Friday. $147 for the set. Will do a PIREP when I get them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro That does not seem right. The turn around is too fast and the price is far too reasonable... Are they coming out of GA or LA? Quote
Marauder Posted November 27, 2018 Author Report Posted November 27, 2018 That does not seem right. The turn around is too fast and the price is far too reasonable... Are they coming out of GA or LA? GA or LA? Precision is in Oklahoma. I asked twice if the price was correct. But then again I once asked for something and the unit of measure it was sold in. They said feet and I said “I’ll take 5”. Got 5” instead. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote
Shadrach Posted November 27, 2018 Report Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Marauder said: GA or LA? Precision is in Oklahoma. I asked twice if the price was correct. But then again I once asked for something and the unit of measure it was sold in. They said feet and I said “I’ll take 5”. Got 5” instead. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Odd that there are there so many great service suppliers and providers in OK. I was thinking Precision Aviation, who have multiple facilities capable of making brake components (likely not at that price though). Please post a link to your supplier. Thanks! Quote
Marauder Posted November 27, 2018 Author Report Posted November 27, 2018 Odd that there are there so many great service suppliers and providers in OK. I was thinking Precision Aviation, who have multiple facilities capable of making brake components (likely not at that price though). Please post a link to your supplier. Thanks! It is the link that 1964-M20E posted above. I have purchased hydraulic lines for tractors in my past and these prices are in line with what I would expect to be the real cost with a good margin for them and not the ridiculous “aviation” mark-up on it. I’m still pissed I spent $60 a year (for years) for the stupid PC “air filters” that turned out to be Fram gas filters. http://aircrafthose.com/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote
Shadrach Posted November 27, 2018 Report Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Marauder said: It is the link that 1964-M20E posted above. I have purchased hydraulic lines for tractors in my past and these prices are in line with what I would expect to be the real cost with a good margin for them and not the ridiculous “aviation” mark-up on it. I’m still pissed I spent $60 a year (for years) for the stupid PC “air filters” that turned out to be Fram gas filters.http://aircrafthose.com/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro The filters get old but the FAA/PMA stickers are toatally reusable... Edited November 27, 2018 by Shadrach 3 Quote
Marauder Posted November 27, 2018 Author Report Posted November 27, 2018 Confusion reins. When I ordered the master rebuild kit I sent this picture to David at Lasar. He said I have the Cleveland masters. So I asked to have a couple of O ring kits sent. What I received was these: This are the pictures I sent: Did I get the wrong rebuild kits? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote
MARZ Posted November 27, 2018 Report Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) On 11/21/2018 at 7:49 AM, Marauder said: So people often ask me my philosophy on maintenance. I could say, I fix stuff, and only that stuff that breaks. That ain’t me... I decided that I’m going to rebuild both master cylinders and the parking while I have everything apart. I noticed my brake lines (the flexible ones in the gear bays) look a bit shoddy. So where do you buy replacement sets? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro See that make's perfect sense - your system is drained - go do all the things at once - else you're going back at it in a short time anyway. Even though there's not a formal TBO stuff tends to have cyclical life - Edited November 27, 2018 by Mike Ropers 1 Quote
Shadrach Posted November 27, 2018 Report Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marauder said: Confusion rains. When I ordered the master rebuild kit I sent this picture to David at Lasar. He said I have the Cleveland masters. So I asked to have a couple of O ring kits sent. What I received was these: This are the pictures I sent: Did I get the wrong rebuild kits? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Those look like Cleveland cylinders. Call Dave, they may use the same o-rings. Edited November 27, 2018 by Shadrach 1 Quote
Marauder Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Posted November 28, 2018 Those look like Cleveland cylinders. Call Dave, they may use the same o-rings. Mystery solved. They are indeed Cleveland masters. When Terry made the comment they looked fairly new, we decided to see if we could find any marking on them. Sure enough, they are 10-49. Usually found on newer J models.I went through the logs and found an entry in December 1991, two weeks before I bought the plane showing that new masters were installed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote
Shadrach Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Marauder said: Mystery solved. They are indeed Cleveland masters. When Terry made the comment they looked fairly new, we decided to see if we could find any marking on them. Sure enough, they are 10-49. Usually found on newer J models. I went through the logs and found an entry in December 1991, two weeks before I bought the plane showing that new masters were installed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro I don't know why someone would bother with new masters, but I am sure they had their reasons. So the OEM for 75 F are a Paramount cylinders just like my 67? I am glad you solved this mystery. You have another mystery to solve...you must find out who is sneaking into your hangar and eating lunch over your brake reservoir... 1 Quote
carusoam Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 Looks like reservoirs have changed quite a bit over the years as well... I was looking to see how the reservoir gets vented... 65 was a round aluminum container with a threaded plug for a cap? (Fuzzy memory) Also inside Firewall, easy to access from top access panel, when open at annual... Looks like Chris got a new carpet for the firewall, recently...? Reminder to check for the engine mount bolts, to make sure they don’t include the new carpet under the bolt heads... a known issue for newer planes built in the factory... they set the torque, then had them come loose over time as the carpet/insulation got flattened... Another reminder to ask Richard which brake fluid reservoir he has? @Skates97 Three options, Round rectangle Clear Best regards, -a- Quote
Marauder Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Posted November 28, 2018 Looks like reservoirs have changed quite a bit over the years as well... I was looking to see how the reservoir gets vented... 65 was a round aluminum container with a threaded plug for a cap? (Fuzzy memory) Also inside Firewall, easy to access from top access panel, when open at annual... Looks like Chris go a new carpet for the firewall, recently...? Reminder to check for the engine mount bolts, to make sure they don’t include the new carpet under the bolt heads... a known issue for newer planes built in the factory... they set the torque, then had them come loose over time as the carpet/insulation got flattened... Another reminder to ask Richard which brake fluid reservoir he has? [mention=15119]Skates97[/mention] Three options, Round rectangle Clear Best regards, -a- Terry educated me on the reservoirs today. The one in his C is round with a really nice threaded plug for a cap. One that apparently makes it easier to bleed the brakes from the high side of the system. No such luck on mine. And nope, that is the factory firewall carpet. Still looks great after all these years. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote
Shadrach Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, carusoam said: Looks like reservoirs have changed quite a bit over the years as well... I was looking to see how the reservoir gets vented... 65 was a round aluminum container with a threaded plug for a cap? (Fuzzy memory) Also inside Firewall, easy to access from top access panel, when open at annual... Looks like Chris go a new carpet for the firewall, recently...? Reminder to check for the engine mount bolts, to make sure they don’t include the new carpet under the bolt heads... a known issue for newer planes built in the factory... they set the torque, then had them come loose over time as the carpet/insulation got flattened... Another reminder to ask Richard which brake fluid reservoir he has? @Skates97 Three options, Round rectangle Clear Best regards, -a- Not trying to be an ass, but I would guess the switch from an aluminum cylinder to an industrial tin can was a cost saving measure. Skates surely has the aluminum cylinder. The cost of fabricating custom fluid containers for a simple GA aircraft is silly from a business standpoint. Edited November 28, 2018 by Shadrach 1 Quote
Marauder Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Posted November 28, 2018 I don't know why someone would bother with new masters, but I am sure they had their reasons. So the OEM for 75 F are a Paramount cylinders just like my 67? I am glad you solved this mystery. You have another mystery to solve...you must find out who is sneaking into your hangar and eating lunch over your brake reservoir... Based on what I learned tonight, the Paramounts were used all the way to the early J models (through serial number 24-0763). The guy at Lasar just assumed I had the original Paramounts and sent me the kit for them. The owner before me was pretty meticulous on being more than proactive on things (like installing shoulder harnesses). The masters I have are on J models from SN 24-0764 THRU 24-3200 & 24-3202 THRU 24-3217. And what appears to be food particles on the reservoir is actually the fines from me scrapping all that excess RTV off of the flange. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote
Shadrach Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, Marauder said: Based on what I learned tonight, the Paramounts were used all the way to the early J models (through serial number 24-0763). The guy at Lasar just assumed I had the original Paramounts and sent me the kit for them. The owner before me was pretty meticulous on being more than proactive on things (like installing shoulder harnesses). The masters I have are on J models from SN 24-0764 THRU 24-3200 & 24-3202 THRU 24-3217. And what appears to be food particles on the reservoir is actually the fines from me scrapping all that excess RTV off of the flange. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I prefer rope caulk to RTV. It forms a nice seal but does not really adhere. Quote
Marauder Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Posted November 28, 2018 I prefer rope caulk to RTV. It forms a nice seal but does not really adhere. What can I say, I’m a glutton for punishment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote
Shadrach Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, Marauder said: What can I say, I’m a glutton for punishment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I'm sorry! I also just realized that I've never sealed up a SWTA panel. I know what the look like fully installed, but have no idea what your dealing with on the R&R. Quote
Skates97 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 3 hours ago, carusoam said: Looks like reservoirs have changed quite a bit over the years as well... I was looking to see how the reservoir gets vented... 65 was a round aluminum container with a threaded plug for a cap? (Fuzzy memory) Also inside Firewall, easy to access from top access panel, when open at annual... Looks like Chris got a new carpet for the firewall, recently...? Reminder to check for the engine mount bolts, to make sure they don’t include the new carpet under the bolt heads... a known issue for newer planes built in the factory... they set the torque, then had them come loose over time as the carpet/insulation got flattened... Another reminder to ask Richard which brake fluid reservoir he has? @Skates97 Three options, Round rectangle Clear Best regards, -a- @Marauder, that tin can looks really sad. I went out to the airport for two things, one to get all the Christmas stuff out of the hangar for my wife to start putting it out when she gets back home tomorrow, and two so that I could take some pictures of things before the mechanics start trying to figure things out. Here is the reservoir in my plane. The blue plug is where you fill it (would make it impossible to overfill) and I am assuming the fitting on the top is to allow pressure out? I'll update a couple things in my other thread. 1 Quote
Marauder Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Posted November 28, 2018 I'm sorry! I also just realized that I've never sealed up a SWTA panel. I know what the look like fully installed, but have no idea what your dealing with on the R&R. No problema. The SWTA panels are unique. When I first got the plane back in 1991, there was some sort of foam in the channel under the panel. That dried up over time and started flaking apart. Then came a series of attempts using various foams. Eventually leading to the usage of RTV since water could still get under the edges. Removing the RTV is not usually a tough thing to do. It essentially peels off but some of it does stick and requires some mechanical rubbing to get it off. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote
carusoam Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 I recall the blue anodized plug on my 65C. And the fancy over built reservoir as well... No recollection of what the top fitting looked like, for comparison... but that is the place I would be looking for a blocked vent... Wether a blocked vent could cause the challenge is also up for discussion...? Best regards, -a- Quote
Shadrach Posted November 28, 2018 Report Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, carusoam said: I recall the blue anodized plug on my 65C. And the fancy over built reservoir as well... No recollection of what the top fitting looked like, for comparison... but that is the place I would be looking for a blocked vent... Wether a blocked vent could cause the challenge is also up for discussion...? Best regards, -a- The pre republic reservoirs look like this. The vent is a small gauge tube secured with a B-nut to an L fitting atop the reservoir. The vent tube is broken off in this image. Your memory is correct about the anodized fittings and cap. Edited November 28, 2018 by Shadrach 1 Quote
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