Engine Monitor Decision Poll

[201er]

You want it right in front of you. After you have one, you'll realize you spend more time looking at it than just about any other instrument.

[jonhop]

1 hour ago, gsxrpilot said:

Yes, but not if you set it to horizontal with the buttons along the top (upside down). It will work in that orientation, but will be stuck there on only the factory can un-stick it.

Yeah.... I read that in the operators manual... seems a bit odd of a problem.

[Piloto]

I just added the indicator for EGT/CHT/OAT/FLOW/DCV that I didn't have with the factory steam gauges. The UBG-16 remote head fits easily in the corner with no mods to the panel.

José

[jonhop]

11 minutes ago, Piloto said:

I just added the indicator for EGT/CHT/OAT/FLOW/DCV that I didn't have with the factory steam gauges. The UBG-16 remote head fits easily in the corner with no mods to the panel.

José

Nice.... but I'm a nerd and like the ability to download data for further analysis, so I'm leaning towards the 900. 

[gsxrpilot]

The ease of downloading the data was one of the reasons I installed the 900. There were many other reasons as well. But it literally takes 5 seconds to download the last 10 or 15 flights with several hours of flight time. And then a few more seconds when I get home and its all uploaded to Savvy where I can evaluate each flight and all the data is automatically organized and graphed.

The only engine monitor with easier data downloads... if it's possible... is the Insight G2, G3, etc. They have an SD card in a slot in the face of the instrument where all the data is logged. Anytime you want to download the data, just eject the card and stick it in your laptop and copy the files over. The SD card that comes with the unit will hold enough data for all engine time from 0 to TBO several times over. So you'll never overwrite and will always have access to ALL your flight data.

[Aerodon]

1 hour ago, jonhop said:

Yeah.... I read that in the operators manual... seems a bit odd of a problem.

No, not true.  I just powered my EDM900 on the bench, and can change the orientation myself.  Hold both LH buttons in while powering it on.  It used to be like this on the EDM830, but they have changed the way to access this feature, without publishing it openly. PITB.

The EDM JPI TSO logo is silk screened onto the unit.

Don

[Pritch]

This is where I mounted my 830, great place and in my scan

Pritch

[gsxrpilot]

8 minutes ago, Aerodon said:

No, not true.  I just powered my EDM900 on the bench, and can change the orientation myself.  Hold both LH buttons in while powering it on.  It used to be like this on the EDM830, but they have changed the way to access this feature, without publishing it openly. PITB.

The EDM JPI TSO logo is silk screened onto the unit.

Don

Did you turn it upside down? The manual clearly says that you can switch between landscape and portrait mode as mush as you like. But that there is ONE bad orientation and that is landscape but upside down, with the buttons at the top of the unit instead of the bottom.

[Aerodon]

seeing is believing

[HRM]

2 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

The only engine monitor with easier data downloads... if it's possible... is the Insight G2, G3, etc. They have an SD card in a slot in the face of the instrument where all the data is logged.

The MVP-50 has a USB port in the lower right corner. That little Mooney in this photo is a USB drive. After flight you can dump whatever you like to it. It's all text files and CSV's. Uploads direct to Savvy.

[gsxrpilot]

9 hours ago, Aerodon said:

seeing is believing

Well I'm certainly convinced  

I wonder if it was a bug in the older firmware that has since been fixed?

[201er]

This is the best place for an engine monitor, especially 830. After the six pack scan (and AOA in the pattern), this is the most looked at piece of equipment. Who needs extra CDIs and all that? Most of you are letting George log all the hours anyway. Here's one thing George can't handle for you and that's managing the engine!

 

PS Mike Busch eat your heart out. Higher RPM for same fuel flow LOP is faster!

Edited October 8, 2017 by 201er

[Bob_Belville]

3 hours ago, 201er said:

This is the best place for an engine monitor, especially 830. After the six pack scan (and AOA in the pattern), this is the most looked at piece of equipment. Who needs extra CDIs and all that? Most of you are letting George log all the hours anyway. Here's one thing George can't handle for you and that's managing the engine!

Hey Mike, what part of backup is so hard to understand? If I need the backups - ASI, Alt, AI, CDI - I don't need them off in the boonies. The EDM on the other hand, as useful as it is, is not vital to safety of flight. In my case thee Aspen is primary and if it failed and I need to proceed in IMC I would want to be scanning everything else I have on my side of the panel. 

[201er]

1 hour ago, Bob_Belville said:

Hey Mike, what part of backup is so hard to understand? If I need the backups - ASI, Alt, AI, CDI - I don't need them off in the boonies. The EDM on the other hand, as useful as it is, is not vital to safety of flight. In my case thee Aspen is primary and if it failed and I need to proceed in IMC I would want to be scanning everything else I have on my side of the panel. 

I'd swap the stormscope and the engine monitor. If I were going to fly into a thunderstorm, it had better be in style LOP! 

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, 201er said:

I'd swap the stormscope and the engine monitor. If I were going to fly into a thunderstorm, it had better be in style LOP! 

Understand. But the stormscope is not so easy to see at an angle and when there's activity it needs to be cleared frequently, and when it is really active the range needs to be changed. 

As I've reported in other threads, the EDM 930 positioned above the co-pilot yoke is very easy to read and reach from my seat. As Marshall Dodge points out, (Bert and I, Maine humor(?), it's your privy and you can put it anywhere you want to, I'm just providing a pirep. 

 

[gsxrpilot]

I'm gonna agree with @201er on this. Granted I've only got 800 Mooney hours, but I've never lost an instrument that was critical to life at that very moment. And if I do, between the backups in the panel and the iPad, and the iPhone, and an engine that will allow me to deviate out of weather, climb above it or go somewhere VFR, I believe I'm covered.

On the other hand, I have spent almost all of those 800 hours trying to get the maximum performance at minimum fuel burn, all while trying to be really nice to my engine so it keeps running, and hopefully all the way to TBO and beyond. 

In my C, the engine monitor was on the copilots side and I spend so much time looking that direction I vowed that if I ever installed another one, it would be on my side of the panel. So I love having my EDM-900 in a prime location for ease of viewing over countless hours of flying.

And in the very unlikely event that one day, everything goes to shit and I'm left with a whiskey compass and my wrist watch, well I'll deal with it and do the best I can.  

[Bob_Belville]

40 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

I'm gonna agree with @201er on this. Granted I've only got 800 Mooney hours, but I've never lost an instrument that was critical to life at that very moment. And if I do, between the backups in the panel and the iPad, and the iPhone, and an engine that will allow me to deviate out of weather, climb above it or go somewhere VFR, I believe I'm covered.

On the other hand, I have spent almost all of those 800 hours trying to get the maximum performance at minimum fuel burn, all while trying to be really nice to my engine so it keeps running, and hopefully all the way to TBO and beyond. 

In my C, the engine monitor was on the copilots side and I spend so much time looking that direction I vowed that if I ever installed another one, it would be on my side of the panel. So I love having my EDM-900 in a prime location for ease of viewing over countless hours of flying.

And in the very unlikely event that one day, everything goes to shit and I'm left with a whiskey compass and my wrist watch, well I'll deal with it and do the best I can.  

 

It's your privy. 

[MIm20c]

19 hours ago, Pritch said:

This is where I mounted my 830, great place and in my scan

Pritch

Where did the MP and RPM go?  Horizontal placement limits display?

[Pritch]

44 minutes ago, MIm20c said:

Where did the MP and RPM go?  Horizontal placement limits display?

this was an older pic when I first put it in as a 730, since them I have add all the other sensors except oil pressure and temp. 

Pritch

[Tommy]

On 08/10/2017 at 10:41 AM, 201er said:

You want it right in front of you. After you have one, you'll realize you spend more time looking at it than just about any other instrument.

My sentiment exactly. Especially if you fly with A/P on most of the time.

So definitely have it in front of you. 

[jonhop]

I'm biased towards the 900 in A, as I'm studying hard for my instrument rating. One concern I have is having to look all the way over to the right side of the cockpit to set power when it's primary. I have no problems flying under the hood until I have to set power. The power instruments are so far out of the scan, that when setting, I tend to fixate until my safety pilot politely taps on a rudder pedal.... not good I know but I wonder why they were originally installed on the most right side of the airplane.