turbotrk Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Hyett6420 said: But you cannot say Europe when you mean Italy, that's like saying the USA when you mean Alabama or Wyoming. Heathrow is forbidden to GA as well as are most LARGE commercial airports or even sea ports (to small yachts), this is normal. We use the ones that are smaller, more convenient and a damn sight cheaper. Yes you are right, Italy is far behind abuot LPVs. Don't know what yor comparison about USA and Alabama is abuot but always remamber that 2000 years ago Mr Caesar came to britain while you were still with clubs and Romans made Londinium, and any town in your country wich name ends with chester. It was us by the way. Always try to respect other countries or states, As I am sure there are peaple from Alabama on this social who would not like your way of talking. Just about Europe I should say that you still have Pounds instead of euros , so you are shurely less european than us. In a few years maybe you will join India and your Jaguars will be TATAs. Oh, well, they are olready! Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted May 30, 2016 Report Posted May 30, 2016 49 minutes ago, Piloto said: Having it all in one box reduces the overall cost since there is no need for interconnect connectors, harness and interface hardware. It makes it easier for the plane manufacturer. And the overall reliability improves since there is no interface problems. Of course there are limitations to all in one box solutions. Radar, TCAS, IRS and others are too big to fit in one box. For this there are international standards to assure interface compatibility such as ARINC 429. You can get 429 ICs the size of 0.25" x 0.25" x 0.05" that will interface with 429 compatible LRUs from www.Holtic.com. Talking about integration I never expected that my cell phone would be a GPS, camera, calculator and connect to the internet in a one flat box smaller than my wallet. Can you imagine the cost and size of all that in separate boxes. Have to get cargo pants or bigger ladies purse. José Couldn't disagree more. If you want to buy a new $30000 avionics suite every ten years, be my guest. Also, Arinc 429 is very dated and slow. The new Arinc Ethernet standard is what you want. With this everything would connect with one standard connector. The Ethernet interface is built in to most micro controllers these days if not chip sets are cheap. The only thing to make them Arinc compatible is software. The compairson to a cell phone is ridiculous. It is a mass marketed appliance that was designed to be used for a year or two and then thrown away. The only government regulation is the FCC for the transmitters and CE for safety. No telling weather it will work and no government agency is certifying the software. And as far as maintainability, a lot of the parts in a cell phone are obsolete soon after they hit the market. 1 Quote
gsengle Posted May 30, 2016 Report Posted May 30, 2016 That's why I won't buy a 30,000$ avionics suite! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Gary0747 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Posted May 30, 2016 6 hours ago, Godfather said: Sounds like a great business venture. There are 100k units in circulation... Do some reverse engineering and find some suppliers for parts. Get your business certified and call it Gary's Garmin Repair. I imagine a number of people would be interested but Garmin has all the design and repair info locked away so no one has a shot at doing this. It is all about obsoleting what is in your panel and selling a you a new unit that does marginally more than the last one. For those that enjoy putting new avionics in their airplane every 10 years that adds resale to airplane at less than 50 cents on the dollar and marginal functionality increase then have fun. For those who install the stuff and dislike my original comment, you motivation is obvious! 1 Quote
gsengle Posted May 30, 2016 Report Posted May 30, 2016 It's not every ten years it's more than 20, and for a unit that would still be serviced if it had been upgraded to waas. I'm not a huge Garmin fan, but they are still servicing my 20 year old unit, and that's pretty darn good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
jetdriven Posted May 31, 2016 Report Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) For right now anyways. I can't get Garmin to guarantee me 5-7 more years of repairs for a 430W. Edited May 31, 2016 by jetdriven Quote
gsengle Posted May 31, 2016 Report Posted May 31, 2016 I think 25-27 years of support is pretty good. That's said I wouldn't buy and install one now! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Piloto Posted May 31, 2016 Report Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) I think some of you worry too much about avionics maintenance. My KT-76, KR-87, KX-165, KNS-80, KY-197 after 30 years never been in a shop. Obsolescence is more likely to happen than a malfunction. As for integrated avionics the GNS 530W is a good example of avionics integration, COM, NAV, GPS and an MFD Display in one box that fit in the rack is a welcome product for GA were none of the planes have a center console. José Edited May 31, 2016 by Piloto Quote
ArtVandelay Posted May 31, 2016 Report Posted May 31, 2016 IBM has never been close to bankruptcy, they lost the PC business because it was open...Garmin knows this. Quote
gsengle Posted May 31, 2016 Report Posted May 31, 2016 Because a disruptive product came along. But believe it or not IBM has a decent mainframe business to this day... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Jerry 5TJ Posted May 31, 2016 Report Posted May 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Hyett6420 said: The thing that annoys me above everything with Garmin is that "most" if not all 1980s aircraft had King suites. Garmin chose to ignore the rear connectivity of these installations and instead produced their own proprietary system. For instance the King box that sets up the comms on speaker, or headphones etc, the Garmin replacement is not plug and play into the same slot, so I have to pay a fortune to rip out the stack of trays I already have and install new ones. King have even replaced this box with a new one and that is plug and play, with you guessed it Garmin. So Garmin has basically cornered and controlled this ,arrest. As they will find out, like IBM, Micorsoft and Apple ALL have, the consumer does not like being locked in to one manufacturer. It almost bankrupted IBM. Many of those "proprietary Garmin" interfaces are RS-232 or ARINC industry standards. (If you want to see real proprietary avionics check out an Eclipse Jet panel.) Back in 1979 I bet the average GA plane did not have King radios. It probably had ARC radios, because the 'average' GA plane was a Cessna. The rest of the avionics installations in the GA fleet were split among Terra, Narco, Bendix, Collins and King, and other now-forgotten brands. No standard wiring or even standard rack sizes back then, either: Your KX-155 would not 'slide in' to replace a Narco Omni-Gator. 1 Quote
Gary0747 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 It is not the type of electronic interface it is the operating language that gets used through those standard electronic interfaces. Garmin has it's own and does not share very often with others so as to keep there dominate market position selling all the avionics. 1 Quote
Mooneymite Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 I think progress will take care of all this proprietary protocol insanity. Each of us will slide our personal panel about the size on an iPad into docking station on pre-flight. Virtually nothing will be hardwired into the panel except for the universal dock. I can't wait! 2 Quote
gsengle Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 But Garmin doesn't do that Jeppesen does, and you get the monthly data subscription from them.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
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